Selling Without Selling Out: Why Healers Struggle to Share Their Gifts (and How to Change That) | with Mel Brandt

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Welcome.

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I'm Harmony Slater, your host of the Finding Harmony podcast.

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Over the past 20 years, I've taught thousands of yoga teachers and students to explore the intersection between ancient wisdom and modern everyday life, using mind body practices to heal, awaken, and manifest their dreams from the inside out.

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This podcast is a sanctuary for those feeling overwhelmed by life's challenges.

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Are you ready to jump? In and discover how these challenges aren't actually in the way, but are the way to finding harmony.

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Let's invite the magic back in.

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What if the symptoms, the emotions, the patterns that are showing up in your life aren't actually problems that need fixing, but are invitations to listen more deeply? Today's conversation is one that is especially close to my heart, and that's because of my own journey through spinal energetics, which has profoundly shifted my relationship to myself and has deepened the connection I have with my body, my emotions, my ability to feel my emotions, to trust my intuition, and to perceive what is beyond our ordinary physical reality.

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It's opened up the doorways to a healing modality that I didn't even know really existed.

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And the healing comes not through force, not through trying to fix something that's broken, but recognizing that there is an intelligence, an inherent wholeness that is already trying to heal you and communicate with you and guide you, and, and experiencing this innate intelligence within yourself and knowing that it's not separate from you, but it is you.

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And this is something that yoga teaches in its philosophy, but it's not something that I ever learned practicing asana.

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It's not something that I was guided towards in this specific way of learning to do nothing and just receive, as you do in spinal energetics, and to listen and to allow your body to open up in its own organic way.

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And so my guest today is Mel Brandt, who is a chiropractor, a coach, and another spinal energetics practitioner who works to bridge the worlds of health, healing, and consciousness and business.

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And so we have a lot in common because those are all the places I like to play as well.

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And after years of having her own business as a chiropractor, she also wanted to expand what she was offering and learning and understanding about herself and the world around her beyond just the physical body, beyond the bones and the physical spine, and move into deeper levels of transformation, connecting to this spiritual energy or this essence, this intelligence within, and also the energetic field, the biofield that impacts and, holds information as well, because energy is information.

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And so she now is creating, containers and programs to help other healers who want to expand their impact and allow more abundance to flow into their work and into their lives.

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So this conversation isn't just, about spinal energetics, but it's about the journey of being a spiritual being having a human experience and what it takes to recognize that you want to create a business and a life That is more aligned with your heart and with a calling and a purpose that you want to live into, that you want to manifest here on the Earth.

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And so we're talking about healing and evolution and remembering that we're so much more than just this physical body.

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We're a multidimensional being, and there's a way that we can really feel and connect into that multidimensionality.

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So hopefully that's intrigued you, and I'm excited to share this conversation with you.

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So let's jump in.

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Hi.

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I'm here today with my dear friend, Mel Brandt.

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Hello, Mel.

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How are you? Hello.

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So happy to be here.

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Thank you for inviting me.

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Oh, it's a pleasure, fellow Canadian.

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Yes.

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Oh, and you're in Kelowna.

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I am, yes, you know what we've been watching? We've been watching this show called "The Millionaire."

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Okay.

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know this show? No, but my daughter was watching it the other day, and I, I'm like, "I think that's on Okanagan Lake," and It is.

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Yeah.

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So we looked it up, and it's a beautiful, like, mansion on the lake, and I think they rent it out for, things like this.

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I'm not sure.

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It looks huge.

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Mm-hmm.

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Chateau Okanagan, it's called, I Oh my gosh.

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I wanna go see it.

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I wanna go stay there.

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Yes.

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No, it's such a beautiful area of the country.

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You're so, so fortunate to live in that area.

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Yeah, we love it here, especially this time of year when everything's blooming and it's 23 degrees out today, So Celsius.

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Oh my gosh, I'm so jealous.

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Yeah.

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you and I met through spinal energetics, so we're gonna talk about energy and the body and life being an energy worker and a body worker and doing all the things today.

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Yes.

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I'm so excited.

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so curious because...

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So my cousin's a chiropractor, and I know that was your first avenue into this work, was as a chiropractor.

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Yes.

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You had a chiropractic business and office and was very busy.

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Yes.

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So I had a, clinic, um, a multidisciplinary clinic for...

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Just sold it actually la- two months ago, and we had it for 18 years, and it kind of grew and evolved over the years to the point where we had, uh, at one point 16 practitioners.

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In the end it was 12, and just a really, um, great, like, cohesive multidisciplinary practice.

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It was everything I ever wanted to build, and amazing humans in it, That sounds so incredible.

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Okay, so what made you wanna sell it then? 18 years is a long time.

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Yeah.

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It is.

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So, um, when I was 14 years into practice, so this was, actually almost 14 years, so five years ago, we'd just come out of COVID, and it was a very stressful time for the clinic and the business, and we were just kind of coming out of that.

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So everything was getting into normal operations again, and business was picking up, and things were going well.

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And I was coming out of this very stressful time And I was moving a patient around on the table one day just going to adjust, and I threw out my back as a chiropractor a chiropractor And literally, I, I thought I blew a disc.

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It was instant, it was so painful, and I immediately couldn't work.

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And I was doing all the things to heal and come back to work, and all the things that like I would tell my clients, patients to do, and n- it just wasn't healing, Yeah.

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And it just took me down this path of, okay, so I would get better, get my rehab, get stronger again, and then I would go back to work, and same thing, I would have to go off.

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And I, for a long time, was like, "There's something else going on here.

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This isn't just musculoskeletal.

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It's obviously something else going on."

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And when I discovered for myself that there was like an emotional component to it, to my pain, um, it actually-- I didn't believe it at first.

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I didn't believe it at first 'cause we're not really taught that way in, in Western chiropractics.

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It's like very evidence-based, science-based, and you don't really go into the emotional components of things or, you know, the subconscious work.

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What was it that like, dropped that hint for you? I was in a space at the time, Jim Fortin, he has a transformational coaching program, and I was in his program, and one of his coaches, Jake Curry, from Australia, was one of his lead coaches, and he is a chiropractor.

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And so he started talking about all of these, symptoms and how the body is responding and how the body's responding to our perception of our conflicts that we go through.

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And I was like, "Huh, what's, what's this about?" And I ended up having a call with him, and we found the conflict of my back pain.

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And part of the, process was actually just understanding that there wasn't anything wrong with me.

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I was actually just healing.

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And often w- in German new medicine, which is what he teaches, healing is part of...

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like the pain comes in the healing phase.

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And so when we actually resolve the conflict and go into our healing phase, the pain comes, and then people think, "Okay, there's something wrong with me," and they look for the problem when it's actually not a problem.

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It's part of the natural process.

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And so this blew my mind.

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I was like, "Well, why the fuck didn't I know about this? How do people not know about this?" And I ended up studying with him for about a year And I started to work with people on this because I could see the patterns that were showing up with my patients, and how they would come back with very similar problems all the time, and need an adjustment or need some, some body work, and then come back a few months later with the same thing.

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And so it was just this like everything kinda clicked into place for me that there's so much more going on here, and people need to know about it.

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And so that's what actually took me into this world of working with people online and helping them, find the emotional component of their pain and healing that, or helping them understand it and go through a healing process.

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So really like started with my own journey, and then it took me down a whole 'nother path.

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And was it through him and his work that you got introduced to spinal energetics, or was that a totally different thing? No.

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Spinal Energetics, I saw one of Sarah's, I think it was an Instagram video or something, and I immediately like was like, "What is this?" Like, I felt so much resonance right away, and then when I found out she was a chiro and like how it all related to her studies and her experiences really, and how she brought it all together, I was like, "I need to learn this.

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I need to know what this is about."

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And I signed up immediately, cause she was coming to Canada, and I was like, "Well, this is just perfect timing."

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And you're supposed to have a session before you, go, and I kept trying to connect with one of my friends in New Zealand to have this session, and it just wasn't working out.

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And I ended up, my first experience with Spinal was our group session in Toronto.

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my gosh.

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it was absolutely wild.

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And it was incredible.

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And yeah, so it's just like, that knowing where you're like, I need to learn more about this," and for my own learning and my own healing and my own journey, but I know this is going to be so impactful and important in what I offer to my clients as well.

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So Yeah.

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it's so amazing.

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What do you think from the point of view of a chiropractor, I mean, you would have a very different perspective 'cause you're so intimately, aware of like every vertebra in the spine and, how it's connected to every organ.

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And how do you, understand what's going on in, say, a spinal energetic session when you're doing just gentle touches on the spine or even, like, taking that further online where it's just sort of frequency and sound and intention? this is such a, a good question because for me, like I was trained very, I would say in like a Western model where a lot of my work was manual treatment, manual adjustments, manual soft tissue work.

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And so I, I probably, if I wasn't introduced to like all of the coaching and subconscious work that I've done before spinal, I don't know if I would've been as open to it and also been as open to facilitate it, if that makes sense.

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so for me, it all makes so much sense because I know the anatomy and physiology and all the things, and so to add this other layer of frequency to it and another way to communicate with the body.

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Because chiropractic at its core is very much like allowing the innate wisdom of the body to do what it knows how to do, right? And so this just gives us another tool for that, to communicate with the body, to allow it to, release what it's ready to release or integrate what it's ready to integrate or...

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Yeah, just all of the frequency work was such a big...

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It was like a, "Okay, this takes it to a whole another level for my work."

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So it kinda just built on my knowledge and what I already was doing, but in such a different way than I used to practice.

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And in fact, that's part of why I was ready to fully step away from practice is because You can do this on the side as a chiropractor, like as a separate business, but you can't integrate it into your work here in BC Really? Yeah.

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It's not in our scope of practice.

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it's just a narrow scope in BC.

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Like I don't think in Canada you would be able to practice spinal with, chiro.

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maybe in the States, I'm not sure though.

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But for, for BC specifically, it's a very narrow scope of practice, so yeah.

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It's just, it's just very contained and, um, that's part of why I was ready to step out of it and really offer this work in the way that felt very intuitive for me and very true and just like not restricted in how I wanna help people.

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So it has to be like classified, I'm hearing, like a totally separate type of session, like Yep.

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like Reiki or like, I mean, spinal energetics, but like its own thing.

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and you have to be very clear and specific in that in terms of like the way it's billed and the way it...

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Like you can't bill it under your chiropractic license.

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So for people with insurance, that means it doesn't cover you under insurance, right? I find it kind of fascinating, like, I was looking at a lot of, places in the US, and every state has its own kind of regulations around, like, license to touch, whether you need a license to touch or not, and, like, how things get classified.

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And it's, like, a weird world of regulation when you start going into that, rabbit hole of, of what's legally permitted or not permitted.

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And then, you know, I was thinking, I'm like, "But I'm a yoga teacher, and I touch people's bodies all the time."

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Yeah, when you start to go down that, like, and questioning it, it really-- like, you can't unsee it.

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that's where I got to, and I was like, there's just no way I could work in a way that, contains you like that, especially when you have these, these gifts and these skills and this knowledge.

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It's like...

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And people need this, right? This is work that really helps people.

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So to be restricted in that, and you understand why they do it, why they regulate it.

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It's the same thing as with coaching, right? Coaching is such a-- It's the Wild And so you can have some, pretty shitty coaching out there.

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So it's, it's the same, I guess, reasons why they start to do that is to protect the public and protect them from having, wh-whatever experience they're gonna have.

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But it really, in the end, is very restrictive, especially in British Columbia.

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Alberta's a lot different.

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Like, in British Columbia, I couldn't even refer someone out for an X-ray as a chiropractor.

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There's-- You just can't.

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So they have to go through the system, and then through the...

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And it's just really, Wow.

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it-- The system...

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Yeah, and it, it actually is, like, a disservice to the patient in that way.

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acupuncture, you can't do acupuncture in BC as a chiropractor.

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just not part of the scope.

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So it's a very narrow scope of practice in BC, and I was just feeling more and more limited by that.

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And it also attracts a different kind of client when you are working with people who are, looking at their insurance plan, budgeting the services they're gonna get based on what insurance will cover.

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It's another layer of restriction and containment, right? So to be outside of that and really give the client their power back in what they're choosing and the services that they're choosing to invest in, and ultimately investing in themself, it's just a totally different mindset in how our clients come to us, right? Yeah.

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It's so interesting.

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I've thought about that quite a bit because, I mean, nothing I do is covered by insurance.

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Yeah.

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And I always think like, "Would that be helpful? I feel like that would be helpful."

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But in a way, I've also come to that conclusion as well, that I think it kinda calls in a different mentality of, or like energy for the person.

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And often, like when you're in that kind of energy or that frequency of like really like, you know, looking at like, "Okay, well, what's covered by the insurance? What's not covered by the insurance?" And, you know, you're kind of also maybe like attached to Mm-hmm.

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empowered to take control of your own destiny, if that makes sense.

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1,000%, exactly.

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And it's a way of like almost unconsciously taking the power away from the client, which is really what this work is so incredible for, is, allowing you to really trust your body and like trust your, your guidance and trust your healing processes and, trust instead of like giving your power away to a professional that's telling you what's wrong with you and that's telling you what you need to fix yourself when in fact you're not actually broken.

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It's a totally different mindset and it's a beautiful thing to work with people who are, choosing to do the work and choosing to invest in themselves.

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Do you feel like, from, growing up and running a business in chiropractics, and then moving more into coaching and spinal energetics and looking at the energy of, humans and consciousness do you feel like we're evolving as, a human race? You can feel the divide, like you can feel the split, and that to me has always been really hard because you can see how great it can be and how, how this journey can be for, people, and then you have people who are still in this system, and it's like you just wanna be like, "Come on.

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Come on over here.

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Like, this is where you get to...

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This is...

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Life gets to be like this," right? Instead of this like this grind, which ultimately keeps us unwell and keeps us stressed out and keeps us in that, paradigm.

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So yeah, I do feel like there is a shift the, in the whole paradigm of business itself and choosing to operate your business in a way that maybe you weren't like brought up in and maybe you didn't even know that you have so much power and choice in the way that you get to run your business, right? So I think it's actually a beautiful time because more and more especially healers are kind of waking up to this and waking up to their gifts and deciding to do things differently, which is also what is needed as a healer to help the people that we're meant to help, right? We need to be well-resourced, and we need to be, just energetically and, financially well-resourced to be able to serve in the way that we are meant to serve.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I'm curious, 'cause now you're coaching healers and other, spiritual entrepreneurs or people in the space to create their businesses.

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Are there, like, typical sort of patterns that you've identified that, people who are, like, spiritual, as most healers are, obviously, if they're in the healing space, compassionate and empathetic and maybe, like, highly sensitive people.

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Do you see common patterns that play out and keep us playing small or not valuing our services? Yeah, and I think it comes from the best intentions and the best place.

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Like, We get into this 'cause we have a big heart, right? And we want to help people.

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That is the core of it.

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But with that, there's so many patterns and behaviors and beliefs that we bring with us as a healer.

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It's part of why we get into the healing business.

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But those are just so many layers that we have to work through, and we have to evolve past to be able to do this work at the level we're meant to because it's big work.

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It's big work, and it's meant to have big impact and ripple into the collective.

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And if we're coming from this place of, like, contraction and really pushing through to build our business in that way, which is what I did for 14 years, and that's exactly why my body was like, "Yeah, no more."

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It was divine intervention, really, and it's the...

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Like, obviously for me now, it was the best thing that happened to me.

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It didn't feel like it at the time, but it was the best thing that happened to me.

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But if we build a business from that place, it's ultimately going to lead to us, you know, breaking down in some capacity.

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So we have to be able to expand into the business that we're building and come from a higher frequency, honestly.

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And be able to move from that place.

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And I find a lot of-- So this is something I'm seeing a lot with the people that I'm working with right now, is they're so good at what they do.

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Like, so good at what they do, and they, and they know it.

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Like, when they're in with their clients, it's like they're just in their element, and it's magic.

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It is actual magic.

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But the translation of, being able to share that and express that and, sell that is...

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There's a disconnect there, right? There's a dissonance.

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So that's really what most of my work is now, is helping healers be able to express and be able to send out the signal from a frequency that's true to them, and build their business that is in their way.

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I think, like, when a lot of us get into this business, especially if we're working online, there's a whole 'nother layer of, There's a whole other layer of conditioning that comes in, and indoctrination that comes in when we start to work online, right? And we think we have to do things a certain way.

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But really, we don't.

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We, in this new paradigm, we get to build the business that is true for us, and it's not gonna look the same as yours, and it's not gonna look the same as mine.

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It's going to be yours, right? So it's, uh, it's exciting.

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It's a really exciting time to be alive right now and to be a healer and to really trust that you get to build your business in the way that feels best for you.

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how you, you know, bring up this sort of resistance to selling.

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I get that a lot in my Lightworker Mastermind too.

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S- you know, like yoga teachers, healers, artists, they don't wanna, like, come across as salesy or they don't wanna, like, feel like they're bothering people.

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And it's a really deep pattern, I think, that goes all the way back to childhood.

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That, really, like, I always say that building a business is one of the deepest spiritual practices you can do because it's gonna pull up all of that dark, deep wounding that you thought you had healed, and you thought you were over, and you thought you did your work around.

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But then, you have to send out that email or you have to, show up on Instagram or, put your services out there or make a request to someone to host you doing something, right? And all of that insecurity- And all of those feelings that are buried way deep down in your body start to come up to the surface, and now we're projecting all of that old patterning and wounding onto our current situation.

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And I think it's really keeps people stuck and playing small because it's deep work to do around feeling safe to show up in a new way in your life or to play a bigger game and to not, care about the criticism you might Yeah.

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Well, and of course we care, right? Because we're human.

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Like, of course we care.

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But I think it's one of those things too where you work through the things, but it also, like, it's a skill that you have to work on as well.

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So we work on, on the subconscious stuff and the nervous system stuff and all the things, but really ultimately, like, you have to practice.

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And it's uncomfortable.

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It sucks.

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But It's like anything you learn.

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As you start to, work through it and practice, it gets easier, right? And then it gets to become fun, and it's almost like you get to-- It's like playing a game and getting to the next level of it and going, "Okay, well, what's available for me here?" And it's instead of being like, "Oh, God," and shrinking, you get to, like, feel that edge and expand into it and, move into possibility rather than that contraction state, right? Because we know that.

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We all know that very well.

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It's, it's just part of our nervous system.

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It's part of our subconscious.

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It's just here to keep us safe.

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It's-- And that's a beautiful thing.

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But when we can actually work through that and, and then start to use it as fuel, it gets to become really fun.

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And yeah, it's, uh...

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As you know, like doing this work over the, over lifetimes, but especially the, with the spinal energetics, It's such a gift to be able to integrate and release and work through these things.

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And honestly, you know as a coach too, like a lot of times we love to get into the story, and we love to get into the, layers of it.

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But with spinal, you don't need to, Unless you want to.

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But it, it's, it's nice because it's like you can go through something.

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You can go, "Okay, my body knew what to do there.

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I can trust that it knew what to do.

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I trust that it integrated, and I just get to allow it to do what it knows how to do innately."

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Like, what a gift.

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I love...

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I mean, there's something that intuitively I think I gravitated to with spinal energetics 'cause, like, all the story stuff and all, I like, that's never been my jam.

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always like, "Ugh, I just can't handle all these stories about blah, blah, blah."

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And people love their stories, love those stories and I just like, I'm not really a story person.

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So Yes.

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So it's like as a practitioner and a facilitator, you, you don't have to get into that, which is so nice.

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It's like very refreshing.

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Yeah, but like there's something also valuable about like kind of going in and feeling the feeling and being with the part of you that, felt all those things 'cause they're real.

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and you can do all of that without having to like get caught up in the story of it, which is kind of beautiful.

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And it just, for me, it's like opening portals into Mm.

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into other dimensions, into more emotional intelligence, right? Like, because you're just like doing this work that's clearing things, and sometimes you don't even have to know what you're clearing.

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Like maybe it's ancestral, maybe it's past life, you know, but it's there and it's kind of blocking the messages and creating static in your ability to receive or to put out messages, right? Exactly.

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And when we can, like release that distortion, our signal becomes so clear, and I think that's such a gift for healers too, because we get to broadcast this signal from a place of our truth, and that then in turn attracts the people that resonate with it, right? So it's a clear signal to resonate with, and we get to bring in the people who are just They've been praying for your signal and your work.

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And it's, yeah, so to release that, dissonance from your field and from your body, it's incredible.

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it's so, so powerful.

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So what are the things, like what do you do to keep your signal really clear? Yeah.

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Well, you know this 'cause we've both worked with Amanda for a lo- a, a, quite a while, and her containers are shifting right now too.

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So, for me, I actually do a lot of my own calls, and so like group work that I do, I'll go and do the same call.

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And, and honestly, I feel like sometimes I created this for me, like this was exactly what I needed.

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And my future self was like, "Okay, thank you."

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Yeah, so it's really, it's such a trip 'cause you're like, "This is, uh If you would've told me a few years ago I'd be doing that, I-" I would be like, "You're nuts."

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But I do that for spinal, right now, and on the calls I can make with Amanda, I go.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I also have a lot of, support and mentorship.

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So I have a business coach, and then I also have a subconscious coach, I really feel like that support is so necessary.

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It's so necessary.

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it's invaluable.

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It's invaluable because we can't see what we can't see, right? And sometimes we just need that mirror and that mentorship to help us, expand and evolve and really, tune into what we're here to share and how we're here to share it, and it's always evolving, and that is one of the reasons why I love this work too.

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It's like we get to evolve.

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It's actually our job to evolve, right? Like, how fucking cool is that.

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It's really cool.

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I love that.

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and that is a big part of with my career as a chiropractor.

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I didn't feel like I was-- I would learn a lot of things, and there's so...

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I, I learn-- I'm a lifelong learner.

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I love to learn different things.

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But to be able to, like, evolve, I felt very contained, and I felt like it was holding me in this box that I didn't wanna be in anymore.

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and we keep ourselves in those boxes in life, right? And really, it's up to us to just have the courage to open the door and walk out.

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what you're saying really resonates with me.

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Not in the, in the chiropractic world, but in the Ashtanga Yoga world because it was very similar.

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Like, when you're in that discipline culture of yoga, there's like, you know, a lot of judgment around like you have to do it six days a week, and you can only take new moons and full moons off, and you need to do a full series, and you need to be advancing in your practice in order to like be a good practitioner, and you shouldn't eat dinner.

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You should fast in the morning.

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And I mean, it depends how deep you wanna go down the rabbit hole of culture, three letters too long.

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But I felt like my world just kept shrinking.

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And at some point it was like, I want to grow and expand and like there's so much out here.

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like you're in this human body, like experience life.

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Like let's, let's get out there, let's expand, let's grow, let's be free to play and experiment and try different things, right? Yeah.

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And it can feel scary to like step out of that.

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It is.

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It's scary.

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Like we're, connected beings.

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We are human beings that love connection.

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And so To know that you will likely lose connection with a lot of the people that, you know, you grew with inside that box, but they, they wanna stay there.

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That's, that...

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They're happy there.

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They're not wanting to go over to that, whatever that is over there that you can see, and you're like, "It's, it's great.

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Let's go."

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And they're happy.

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So it-- for me, it was like, "But come on, come on."

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Like that, that was one of my shadows for a long time, was like, "Just, can you see this? Like let's, go see that."

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but they don't want to.

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So it, that's okay too.

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But to know like we might lose connection as we evolve, that is, that i- for me, that was one of the biggest core wounds, because I value connection so much.

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And so to lose that was really hard.

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But the connection on the other side of it, and the connection with yourself, and the self-integrity and self-trust that you build in that process, it's like you just can't...

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Once you see it and once you feel it, you can't unsee it.

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It's like it's just you know, you know.

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And it's almost like when the calling comes, you're like, "Oh, shit.

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Again? Like again?" And you're like, 'cause you know it's gonna be, it's gonna be sticky, and it's gonna be uncomfortable.

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but that's also the part where you're like, "Okay, here we go again."

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Here we go, down the rabbit hole.

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But it gets to be I can't imagine not following that.

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Like it's so much harder to stay in it and stay in that, "Ugh," and the contraction, and like, that's worse to me than the discomfort of like evolving past it and, and, moving.

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So Yeah.

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And I stayed in that for a long time, in that dis- in that like, "Eh," contraction.

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So to, to know like that, discomfort, for me, is worse than the discomfort of evolving.

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Yeah, there's that saying, right? That people make a change when the pain of staying where you are is greater than the pain of doing something different.

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00:36:09,100.449809 --> 00:36:10,130.44984
Exactly.

302
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Which is kind of, like, dark.

303
00:36:14,125.4495921 --> 00:36:21,530.4493632
Why are we putting ourselves through the pain? Like we can lean into the possibility, right? And, and Yeah.

304
00:36:21,530.4493632 --> 00:36:23,420.4497065
so it, it is though, it is.

305
00:36:23,420.4497065 --> 00:36:28,310.4500498
It's a, it's a trip, and it's such a, ugh, a mind fuck along the way.

306
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Totally.

307
00:36:29,930.4489817 --> 00:36:31,160.4504313
we get better at it.

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We get better at it.

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I mean, I think, you know, I love that you say this too, about investing in yourself, investing in your own- containers of mentorship and, you know people holding space for you.

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Because I think that's something that a lot of yoga teachers, healers, like people, they go to a lot of training programs and like you're saying, there's a lot of learning that happens and we can justify like, "Oh, I'm gonna get this next level," or, "This new certificate," or, "I'm gonna learn this new thing from this person."

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you know, with this in mind, like, "I can monetize this at some point," right? But it's very different to work with a coach, like a business coach, or enter a container of, like a mastermind-type situation where there's other healers who are all there supporting you and you're supporting them, and it's like a collective upliftment.

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And getting coaching's very different than training, because coaching's really about doing that deeper work, right? Of having someone hold up that mirror, like you said, so that you can see the things that you're not seeing.

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And that's different than teaching or training, right? Being in a container where it's mostly teaching or training is, yeah, you're learning a lot of new things, but maybe people aren't, saying, "Well, why aren't you...

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You keep saying that you're showing up, but why aren't you showing up this way?" Or, "You keep saying you wanna do this, but I don't see that happening.

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Why isn't that happening? Or, what's going on there?" Right? Doing that deeper kind of exploration around creating goals or intentions or a vision for yourself, which I think a lot of spiritual people also are not trained to do, in my experience.

316
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They're just like, "Yeah, whatever the universe wants is great."

317
00:38:24,344.7064318 --> 00:38:38,36.372841
And that's, like, a massive kind of, like, bypass and a way of kinda, like, wiggling your way out of ever having to put yourself on the line for something, right? exactly.

318
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And yeah, like there is, there's this element of like risk with it too, right? But it's like when you're actually putting skin in the game, that's actually gonna motivate you to do the thing that you say you wanna do even more, right? And if, if you're not, then you have the accountability of the people in your mastermind or the, the mentor or coach that you're working with to actually help you pull it out and move, right? Cause that's the thing.

319
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We can get like just in this state of, you know, we're comfortable.

320
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We, we are human.

321
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We like to be comfortable.

322
00:39:14,429.7070517 --> 00:39:30,24.7053303
So to push out of that comfort zone is why would we when we're, when we're comfortable, right? It actually helps you, like, jump timelines in getting to where you want to go faster, right? And it's invaluable.

323
00:39:30,24.7053303 --> 00:39:31,274.7053303
It's, it's invaluable.

324
00:39:31,274.7053303 --> 00:39:33,304.7050633
And, and different seasons too.

325
00:39:33,304.7050633 --> 00:39:44,268.0399607
Like for me, I've had a, a mastermind I was part of for almost a couple years actually, and this past year I was feeling the call that it was time to move on.

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Even though I love everyone in that space, it was time.

327
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It was time.

328
00:39:49,618.0403421 --> 00:39:57,324.7080006
And so that, for me, was part of the release as well, and like trusting that call of it's time to evolve.

329
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And I think for everyone, there's different seasons of people who come into your life that are meant to, be there.

330
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but sometimes we stay in spaces too long as well, right? So it's really knowing, like following your guidance and really trusting it to where you're supposed to be.

331
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that's a, that's a beautiful kind of insight and reflection.

332
00:40:21,234.7061886 --> 00:40:48,841.3726264
And also, like, as someone who creates spaces, you know, not taking it personally when people outgrow your space, you Yeah, because of course you love your people, right? And it, and it's like, yeah, so same, same thing, the flip side of that, right? As a mentor, when you have people leave your containers, it's like you, you really do just have to trust that It's actually quite an honor because they've almost like graduated from the work they've done with you, right? 100%.

333
00:40:48,841.3726264 --> 00:40:56,11.3722259
I remember, like, owning a yoga studio and, you know, and you'd feel that way when people would, like, stop coming to the yoga class.

334
00:40:56,11.3722259 --> 00:40:56,581.3728744
You're like, "What's..."

335
00:40:57,121.3728362 --> 00:41:04,841.3721496
You know, it's a lot of work to do around, like, taking things too personally or making it about you and really learning to reframe that.

336
00:41:04,841.3721496 --> 00:41:19,961.3713103
Like, it's actually really good when a teacher, like, moves on or starts teaching their own classes somewhere or, you know, has their own development and evolution, and they're like little children that get to grow up I of the house.

337
00:41:19,961.3713103 --> 00:41:20,651.3737518
But it...

338
00:41:20,761.3743621 --> 00:41:31,780.3725692
Sometimes, you know, especially when you're first learning how to let go, it feel like it's a lifelong, lifelong learning to let go.

339
00:41:31,810.3732558 --> 00:41:37,870.3736755
Yeah, and you think you've learned it, and then it's like, "Oh, I have to go let go again."

340
00:41:37,928.0394171 --> 00:41:47,364.7063984
Yeah, a lot of letting go in the process of, spiritual growth and personal grows, growth and business growth, like, all of it, right? Mm-hmm.

341
00:41:47,461.3728219 --> 00:41:48,131.372779
All of it.

342
00:41:48,701.3729507 --> 00:41:49,111.3727981
Yeah.

343
00:41:49,411.3727981 --> 00:42:11,791.374591
the funny thing, I think, like, as someone who's sort of, like, in the spiritual, development area, like, we keep talking about attachment and you can think, "Oh, I'm not attached," but all of these little lessons along the way are just, like, showing us how- We're still very much attached to so many things.

344
00:42:13,221.374529 --> 00:42:22,411.3747054
Yeah, and I think the piece of awareness around it, like when you can have that awareness and, and know how to move through it, it's, it's such a gift.

345
00:42:22,441.3744384 --> 00:42:25,491.3746291
But it, it doesn't make it easier It doesn't make it easier.

346
00:42:25,931.3742095 --> 00:42:30,411.3745385
But it's like, "Oh, shit, there it is again," right? Like it's, it's there.

347
00:42:30,661.3747054 --> 00:42:34,571.3745528
And so to be able to recognize it, it came up for me today.

348
00:42:34,571.3745528 --> 00:42:35,921.3749343
It comes up often.

349
00:42:35,921.3749343 --> 00:42:43,401.3744765
And so just that awareness around it and being able to move through it is, is such a gift, especially in business.

350
00:42:43,491.3746291 --> 00:43:13,531.3750106
Espe- 'cause business is, it's such a reflection of life and us and all the things, right? and it's like the ultimate initiation into growth and development, and it's, yeah, it's, uh, it's not for the faint of heart Yeah, and we tie, like, so much of our self-worth and our value to what we're doing and to our services, and it's like, takes some intentional work to, like, really start to look at that.

351
00:43:13,531.3750106 --> 00:43:15,781.3750106
Like, like these are services.

352
00:43:15,781.3750106 --> 00:43:17,411.3741714
This is not my value.

353
00:43:17,411.3741714 --> 00:43:20,301.3754684
my value is very separate from what I do.

354
00:43:21,1.374324 --> 00:43:27,521.3747817
But we're, you know, very trained to kind of like tie our worth into what we do.

355
00:43:27,521.3747817 --> 00:43:33,191.374734
Even like in a party, you know, people are like, "Oh, hey, what's your name? What do you do?" Yeah.

356
00:43:33,561.3747388 --> 00:43:33,941.374734
Yeah.

357
00:43:34,181.3747436 --> 00:43:37,371.3748008
It's, it's ingrained into us, and it's our ...We

358
00:43:37,371.3748008 --> 00:43:39,141.3747817
attach to those identities.

359
00:43:39,171.3749915 --> 00:43:49,341.3759261
And I remember being at a, leadership thing when I was a chiropractor, and one of my managers and I went to this leadership conference, and there was a question that came up.

360
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It was like, "Okay, you have to describe yourself, but you can't bring up your profession."

361
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And I didn't have anything to say.

362
00:43:57,561.3752395 --> 00:44:10,881.3740951
Like, I had nothing to say It was like, it was such an eye-opener for me that I was so attached to my identity as a chiropractor and a business owner that I like had no, nothing.

363
00:44:10,911.3766891 --> 00:44:12,261.3751632
I It was my turn to talk.

364
00:44:12,261.3751632 --> 00:44:13,461.3759261
I had nothing to say.

365
00:44:13,491.3747054 --> 00:44:19,131.3740951
So that, for me, was such an eye-opener and so much work to be done around that.

366
00:44:19,575.1890467 --> 00:44:26,428.7254236
And so when I released my, identity as a chiropractor, when I s- went into coaching five years ago, that was crazy.

367
00:44:26,708.7280176 --> 00:44:35,145.3931584
But it was, actually the release of my business as a clinic owner this past year that was the biggest initiation for me.

368
00:44:35,145.3931584 --> 00:44:40,655.3952946
So the chiropractor identity wasn't as hard as the clinic owner identity.

369
00:44:40,965.3928532 --> 00:44:50,285.3958525
And it's just interesting how we attach to these identities and attach our worth to it and our value to it, and like, who are we without it, right? Yeah.

370
00:44:50,285.3958525 --> 00:44:50,595.3959145
Yeah.

371
00:44:51,5.3958811 --> 00:44:51,605.395905
Yeah.

372
00:44:51,755.3960003 --> 00:44:51,815.3959431
Yeah.

373
00:44:52,185.3958287 --> 00:44:52,355.395905
Yeah.

374
00:44:52,355.395905 --> 00:44:55,185.3958287
and it, I mean, there's so many layers to it.

375
00:44:55,448.7292669 --> 00:45:00,508.7294481
not just like the net worth or the income, but then also, like, the work itself.

376
00:45:01,408.7290666 --> 00:45:07,3.7293051
Like, who am I when I'm not working 9:00 to 10:00 at night? Yeah.

377
00:45:07,153.729162 --> 00:45:07,343.7292192
Yeah.

378
00:45:07,443.7291239 --> 00:45:07,783.7292765
Yeah.

379
00:45:08,623.729429 --> 00:45:32,643.7287424
Yeah, we do a lot of things to kind of avoid some of those harder questions and deeper inner searches, and, uh, I think that's also why I really love the spinal energetics work because for me, it's always like dropping into a very deep state of meditation where you really are just, like, connecting to that source energy.

380
00:45:33,165.3957667 --> 00:45:44,750.7106493
it's, it's such a, beautiful way to detach from, the experience and the outcome because you don't know what's gonna happen in those sessions as a facilitator or as someone receiving it.

381
00:45:44,750.7106493 --> 00:45:48,390.7109926
It's like, "Okay, well, f- I didn't think we were going there today, but it went there."

382
00:45:48,390.7109926 --> 00:45:49,450.7104586
And that's, I...

383
00:45:49,450.7104586 --> 00:45:52,400.7112215
That's one thing I love about it, is like, it...

384
00:45:52,400.7112215 --> 00:45:55,990.7113741
There's no element of control, right? Like, you can't control it.

385
00:45:55,990.7113741 --> 00:45:58,570.7112978
It's just that this is where your body wants to take you.

386
00:45:58,860.710306 --> 00:46:04,440.7102297
You can, like I guess you can control it in the way that you're, like, over-controlling it and not allowing it.

387
00:46:04,510.7099245 --> 00:46:09,430.7119081
But if you're allowing it, then the experience is like, "Wow.

388
00:46:09,520.7120607 --> 00:46:12,950.7123659
That was, uh, another, another dimension.

389
00:46:12,950.7123659 --> 00:46:14,465.7108353
Another portal opens there."

390
00:46:14,765.7108353 --> 00:46:15,555.7107971
Yeah.

391
00:46:15,695.7107828 --> 00:46:16,275.7109449
Yeah.

392
00:46:16,275.7109449 --> 00:46:16,365.7108591
Yeah.

393
00:46:16,415.7108114 --> 00:46:32,410.7889523
It's really, uh, like in the true sense of a ritual where kind of things are set up, there's some structure holding this ceremony in place, but then what happens in the ritual is undefined.

394
00:46:32,410.7889523 --> 00:46:40,680.7875027
It's, like, spontaneous and, and it really leads to deep transformation, I think, because of that.

395
00:46:41,120.7880368 --> 00:46:50,80.7890286
You know, it has enough structure, but then the structure just holds the spontaneous arising of whatever's meant to happen on the inside.

396
00:46:50,80.7890286 --> 00:47:02,170.7891812
And having someone hold that space and just be able to facilitate that frequency or that current of consciousness into the space so that you can receive whatever you're meant to receive is, it's very powerful.

397
00:47:02,960.7900967 --> 00:47:08,320.7868924
And even, like, more interesting when it's yourself from a future or a past timeline.

398
00:47:09,625.7884063 --> 00:47:12,105.788485
It's, it's actually, like, incredible.

399
00:47:12,135.7884564 --> 00:47:13,105.7882466
It is incredible.

400
00:47:13,955.7886281 --> 00:47:21,915.7883801
But it, and it's also, like, to, as a facilitator, it's like you get to offer, like, "Oh, this is here.

401
00:47:21,945.788876 --> 00:47:31,825.7880368
Do you wa- Does your body want to, you know, look at this?" And the body gets to decide, right? So it's, it's a, quite a dance.

402
00:47:31,825.7880368 --> 00:47:32,985.7878842
It's a beautiful dance.

403
00:47:32,985.7878842 --> 00:47:53,15.7882657
I, I love, I love this work so much Yeah, yeah, because it's, it's a little bit different, I would say, like from my experience of going to a chiropractor, like a traditional chiropractor Who's like physically manipulating your body, or even like a yoga class where you're phys- physically manipulating your body.

404
00:47:53,495.7887616 --> 00:48:08,985.787579
It's a very different kind of way of understanding your body, where you're allowing the body to tell you or like signal you or move you rather than you doing something to it.

405
00:48:10,5.7884159 --> 00:48:10,525.7884564
Yeah.

406
00:48:10,645.7884612 --> 00:48:22,655.7885708
And I, I believe, like, it allows us to open that up more and tune into that more, and what a gift to be able to tune into your body and trust where your body is guiding you.

407
00:48:22,855.7883801 --> 00:48:30,925.7883515
Like, can you imagine if all of us as humans just allowed our bodies and our intuition to guide us, how incredible that would be? Yeah.

408
00:48:30,925.7883515 --> 00:48:32,845.7891049
Yeah, Yeah, It's incredible.

409
00:48:33,325.7882084 --> 00:48:34,345.7881894
would change.

410
00:48:34,831.9603854 --> 00:48:35,551.960414
Yeah.

411
00:48:35,851.960414 --> 00:48:36,671.9603616
Amazing.

412
00:48:36,701.9604522 --> 00:48:45,661.9606572
Well, tell everyone where they can find you and what you're up to now, So if you're, if you're getting this in June, what I'm offering right now is a...

413
00:48:45,691.9603902 --> 00:48:52,961.9603711
It'll be, it'll still be around, but it's live right now, and it's been incredibly fun and exciting, when you're doing something live, it's incredible.

414
00:48:52,991.9610578 --> 00:48:59,211.9603711
But like I said, when I do my live stuff later, it's also incredible, and that's the beauty of this work.

415
00:48:59,851.9597608 --> 00:49:07,341.9602948
And so right now my offer is Uncaged and Alive, and this is, an experience.

416
00:49:07,341.9602948 --> 00:49:18,551.9624311
it's a blend of spinal and subconscious work and shadow work, and it's basically I'm being initiated into it right now as well, as we are with our offers.

417
00:49:18,551.9624311 --> 00:49:20,171.961363
We're always kind of initiated into them.

418
00:49:20,291.9602948 --> 00:49:32,561.9615155
But we're dropping the cage and the resistance that is holding us back from really stepping into the life that we want, the work that we want, being able to share it the way we want.

419
00:49:32,561.9615155 --> 00:49:52,858.6194847
And so it kind of parallels how I was feeling in my profession as a chiropractor and in my business, and how it feels to then drop the resistance, release the resistance from your body, from your energetic field, from your subconscious, and just allow yourself to step out of the cage.

420
00:49:53,88.6228416 --> 00:50:01,248.6232994
And, and how- incredibly alive you get to feel in your life and your business in, in building from that place.

421
00:50:01,448.6231087 --> 00:50:17,358.6239097
So that's the offer that's out right now, and it's leading into a, a group space mastermind, which is mostly energetics and some strategy, but it's a lot of the energetics and subconscious work, and this is called Beyond the Table.

422
00:50:17,358.6239097 --> 00:50:28,620.2727236
So this is for healers and practitioners who are looking to build something beyond their, offers that are in person and on the table.

423
00:50:28,780.272571 --> 00:50:44,360.2744021
And so to be able to expand your, impact and build your legacy and be able to scale in a way that allows you to be wealthy and be resourced as a practitioner building your business.

424
00:50:44,360.2744021 --> 00:50:47,130.2710452
So that's the next offer that it's leading to.

425
00:50:47,130.2710452 --> 00:50:49,210.2728762
So by the time you see this, that'll be live.

426
00:50:49,320.2734866 --> 00:50:53,950.2745547
And yeah, you can reach out to me just on Instagram, Mel, @melbrandtrewired.

427
00:50:54,95.2726569 --> 00:50:54,515.2727332
do that.

428
00:50:54,515.2727332 --> 00:50:55,435.272571
Awesome, yeah.

429
00:50:55,715.2727809 --> 00:50:58,935.272571
Great, and I'm sure people will follow you and reach out to you for...

430
00:50:59,555.2724566 --> 00:51:01,385.2723803
Yeah, you always have some beautiful posts.

431
00:51:01,435.2723803 --> 00:51:04,895.2724185
I love watching you on Instagram doing all your magic.

432
00:51:05,470.2722444 --> 00:51:17,155.272006
Yeah, it's such a fun way to express, right? I think a lot of times as healers, practitioners, we look at these platforms, and we're, we kind of get like this eh from it, right? It's But I really see it as such a gift.

433
00:51:17,330.2722086 --> 00:51:30,413.6044739
It's been such a gift for me in being able to spread my mission and my message and my impact and just connect with people all over the world that I would have never connected with if I hadn't, used these platforms.

434
00:51:30,413.6044739 --> 00:51:45,985.2719011
So I think it's, um, there's a shift in the way that healers are starting to use these platforms, and I think it's important because we're meant to have a big impact, and we're meant to reach more people, and, there's a big call for it in the collective right now.

435
00:51:46,285.2719011 --> 00:51:46,615.2718844
Yeah.

436
00:51:46,925.2719464 --> 00:51:47,385.2718653
Yeah.

437
00:51:47,455.2717986 --> 00:51:48,295.2719512
Beautiful.

438
00:51:48,475.2720179 --> 00:51:48,975.2720179
Beautiful.

439
00:51:48,975.2720179 --> 00:51:53,5.2717509
Well, thank you so much for sharing with us and coming on, having this conversation with me.

440
00:51:53,5.2717509 --> 00:51:57,105.2721324
It was so nice to reconnect with you today.

441
00:51:57,550.2718892 --> 00:52:00,720.2718463
Yeah, it's so always beautiful chatting with you, Harmony.

442
00:52:00,720.2718463 --> 00:52:06,235.271789
I just love the work that you're putting out, and thank you for inviting me to have this conversation.

443
00:52:06,535.271789 --> 00:52:10,275.272037
I'm gonna get out to Kelowna one of these days and come visit you in person.

444
00:52:10,575.272037 --> 00:52:10,880.2718272
yeah.

445
00:52:11,250.2719512 --> 00:52:19,420.2718844
Well, we s- we should plan collab 'cause there's no one else that does spinal here, and I like, I'm itching to do a bigger event.

446
00:52:19,520.272006 --> 00:52:20,570.2721967
Okay, we'll work on it.

447
00:52:21,715.9586614 --> 00:52:27,255.9586614
Before we wrap up, a quick note for those of you who are joining me in Portugal this summer.

448
00:52:27,755.9586614 --> 00:52:39,485.9576614
I will be in Lisbon at Agora Lisboa from June 25th to the 28th, and I'm opening up a few spinal energetic healing sessions while I'm there.

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So if you've been curious about this work and would like to experience it for yourself, send me a DM on Instagram.

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I'll also be opening up some single sessions for you to connect and heal and experience spinal energetics while I'm in Faro, Portugal, July 8th to the 12th.

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So again, send me a DM on Instagram at harmonyslaterofficial if you're interested and curious about experiencing this powerful modality for yourself.

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I would love to connect with you in person, and you can find out those details in the show notes, or just send me a DM and we'll be in touch That's it.

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We've concluded another episode of the Finding Harmony podcast.

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I just wanna thank you so much for doing the work that changes the world, starting with yourself.

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It truly does make a huge difference.

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Please make sure you have your automatic downloads turned on wherever you listen, so you don't miss any of the upcoming episodes.

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I have so much more magic I can't wait to share with you.

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Lastly, if you're on Instagram, I love connecting and hearing from you, so come on over and say hello at Finding Harmony podcast, and you can also come say hello to me personally at Harmony Slater official.

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Thank you again for being here.

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I cannot wait to share more with you in our next episode.