How Hypnotherapy Helped Me Heal When Doctors Couldn’t | with Peter McLaughlin [VIDEO]

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Welcome.

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I'm Harmony Slater, your host of the Finding Harmony podcast.

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Over the past 20 years, I've taught thousands of yoga teachers and students to explore the intersection between ancient wisdom and modern everyday life, using mind body practices to heal, awaken, and manifest their dreams from the inside out.

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This podcast is a sanctuary for those feeling overwhelmed by life's challenges.

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Are you ready to jump? In and discover how these challenges aren't actually in the way, but are the way to finding harmony.

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Let's invite the magic back in.

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What might it be like if the diagnosis that was meant to end your life became the very thing that taught you how to truly live? Today's guest knows the answer to this question in an intimate way, because Russell and I are joined by Peter McLoughlin, a certified hypnotherapist, life coach, and the founder of Blue Sky Hypnosis.

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Peter's path into this work began after receiving a leukemia diagnosis back in 2003, and this was just a moment that forced him to confront mortality and ultimately led him to explore the profound connection between the mind, the body, and the spirit.

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And today, Peter has helped thousands of people uncover and heal some of the root causes of their emotional suffering through hypnotherapy, trauma resolution, and regression work, as well as subconscious reprogramming.

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And you can check him out on his YouTube channel.

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It's called Blue Sky Hypnosis, which has reached millions of viewers worldwide.

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And we're going to learn all about how hypnosis and hypnotherapy holds the same therapeutic potential for altered states of consciousness as perhaps some psychedelic substances do, because it allows us to go in and access the subconscious mind and uncover some of those hidden patterns, the processes of unresolved experiences and emotions that are buried in the subconscious and It will help to support our innate ability and capacity to heal by bringing what is in the darkness into the light.

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And so if you are curious about hypnosis and its benefits, and interested in the science behind the subconscious mind or the unconscious mind, and are interested in what might offer a new perspective on what healing can look like, then this conversation is going to invite you to consider that sometimes the doorway to your deepest transformation lies not in trying harder, but in softening and learning to access the wisdom that has been within you all along.

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So, I love this work.

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This is the work that I do, not specifically hypnotherapy, but going into the body and uncovering the unconscious emotions, connections, images, hidden patterns, processes, unresolved experiences through the unconscious mind and the, memories, and whatever is being held in the body is also being held in our mental energetic field.

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So, I'm very passionate about this work, and I think that you will be too after listening to Peter's story.

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So, let's jump right on in.

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Hi, welcome.

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We're here today- Welcome, w- welcome to the "Finding Harmony" podcast.

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This is your host, Harmony Slater, with your co-host, Russell Case.

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Every time we do this.

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And we're here today for your listening pleasure- I- with Peter McLoughlin.

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Hello, Peter.

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I, I was, I was told recently that I, our eye of Aspero said that I needed an exorcism, which is unnerving.

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And so you know how to do that.

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No.

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Peter knows how to get rid of entities.

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He has a special meditation.

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Ugh.

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Hypnotism.

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Okay, so here- Mm-hmm let's talk about this.

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But so you really have so much, knowledge, and you share so much on your YouTube channel about self-hypnosis and, like, doing hypnotherapy.

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But what is the difference, would you say, between hypnotherapy...

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I'm just jumping into a question before we get into your story.

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Between hypnotherapy...

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Any direction, okay.

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I feel I've heard my story before.

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Yeah.

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I feel like I could answer this question for Peter.

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No, we're asking Peter.

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What is your impression of the difference between hypnotherapy and meditation? same brain state.

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So if you, if you analyze the brainwaves, you would get the exact same brainwaves.

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You probably would get the same brainwaves with deep prayer.

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The difference with hypnosis or hypnotherapy is that you use the state for a positive outcome.

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So that's really what hypnotists are trained in, is how to use the state to the advantage or benefit of the client.

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So it's like active meditation, kind You could think of it that way.

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You could think of it that way, yeah.

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And typically it's not self-hypnosis, although that is a thing, including something called auto-suggestion.

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Generally speaking, it's a practitioner, the hypnotist, working with a s- a subject or a client and helping them reach that state, and then using that state to help them, reach the goals that they want to reach Cool.

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When I was in, in undergrad, I think I was, I think I was 20 years old, at our university, we did a big event, and we had a hypnotist come in.

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And as I was observing the entire event, I had been practicing yoga and meditation at that point, and I was recognizing what they were asking of us.

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And I found myself just settling right in.

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It was like, "Oh, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna do meditation now.

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I can see what he's doing."

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And so I just settled right into the meditation.

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And then, of course, when they asked people of in the audience, you know- If you've been hypnotized, please raise your hand.

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And I was, I was one of the only people that raised their hand 'cause I wasn't paying any attention to anyone else.

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Wasn't self-conscious at all.

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Went up on stage and they did a whole bunch of neat little tricks with me.

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But I re- just remember feeling just so much kind of love and benevolence and sort of self-humor about the whole thing.

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And I was like, "This is all very sweet and nice.

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I'm gonna do anything that he wants."

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And then at the end, my dormitory was in the same building, and I just went upstairs and I just sat on my couch not thinking, which is like the end-all be-all of meditation, is how can you get yourself into a place where you can have seven seconds of uninterrupted silence, which is, you know, full samadhi.

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And I, I think I was there for about a- an hour and a half just sitting like, like, "I'm really not having any thoughts right now."

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He didn't, he forgot to take you out of the hypnotic state.

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It was, it was just phenomenal.

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And since that time, I'd had, I've had a very kind of warm feeling in my heart about hypnotism and about hypnotherapists.

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I had, we had a friend on the show, Sarah Miles, who was a hypnotherapist.

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That was like six years ago.

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Nothing I said was untrue.

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I know.

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I'm just saying it was quite a while back.

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It was a while back.

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So if people are like, "What was that episode?" But I'm, I'm very eager to find out how you got yourself into this position.

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I think we're about the same age.

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I'm 51.

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Are you 50-something? Oh, you don't look it at all.

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Okay.

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Oh, wow.

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So y- You look amazing.

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You look fanta- you.

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look younger than me.

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I thought maybe you were 48.

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So- You do.

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so you're 48 years old.

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How did you come to be a hypnotherapist, and what started all of that? Like, were you just into magic as a, as a high school kid? Like, what, what happened? The first thing I would say is that there's, there's really two wings of hypnosis.

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One is the one you described, which is entertainment And that really kept hypnosis alive when it otherwise would've died.

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And then the other side, the side that I occupy, is the side that is trying to help people in a therapeutic kind of way.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I would say the earliest seed for me that I didn't realize until a big event happened that I will mention in a few moments, when I was 41, was early on as a kid, my grandfather, I really admired him heavily.

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He was a World War II veteran.

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He was an athlete, like a four-letter athlete in high school.

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He got a scholarship to college to play football.

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This is in the, like 1930s.

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And he also was very widely read, and he used to quote this man named Emile Coue, who was a famous French hypnotist from the 1920s, "Each day in every way, I'm getting better and better."

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So that was kind of like a seed that got planted when I was, oh, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years old.

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And when I was 41, I was volunteering to be a firefighter and an EMT in my town in Connecticut, and they had me do an extensive physical.

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And at the end of the first day of the physical, the doctor said to me, "Wow, you're in really good shape for a 41-year-old.

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Come back and give blood."

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I did that, and then the alarm bells went off and messages were left for me and, and I could hear people were kind of breathless.

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And I finally got someone on the phone and they said, "We think you have Lyme disease and a rare form of leukemia."

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Both at the same time? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It, it took that to get my attention, apparently.

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That's how I interpret that now.

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It's like a spiritual two-by-four.

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and over the course of about three years of trying to understand what this all meant and how to extend my life, because when I asked them how long I had, they said maybe 10 years.

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And I had three very young children at the time, and the idea of, of dying and leaving them and leaving my wife was just so scary and, you know, it was just awful.

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It was k- completely unacceptable to me.

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And when the hematologist oncologist said, "We don't know what causes this and we don't know how to cure it," I realized I'm gonna have to do this myself.

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Mm-hmm.

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the more I researched, the more I was drawn into the power the mind has over the body.

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And then a series of seemingly disconnected events occurred that in a flash it was clear they all were knit, knitted together.

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I realized I need to be trained to be a hypnotist.

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I had already met someone randomly in Connecticut whose sister started a hypnotherapy academy in Santa Fe, New Mexico, that was started by a paramedic, and I was identifying as a first responder, and its focus was on the medical applications of hypnosis.

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So I called them on a Thursday and they said, "We're starting the cla- you know, a new class on Monday.

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there's one spot left.

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Do you want it?" "Yep."

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So I was, yeah, on a, on a flight and that's how I got into it.

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Connecticut, Connecticut, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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New York Airport.

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Yeah.

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must have been like a six-week course or two-week course? it was longer than that.

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It was, I think it was 10 weeks, it was pretty intense too.

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It was, it was, uh, 10-hour days, and then we also worked on the weekends with each other, and we did sessions with one of the instructors that we chose to be our hypnotherapist, which was a huge part of the learning, was being on the other side of the equation.

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Well- Yeah, that's amazing.

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But okay, so did you- What about your wife, though? Like, you left your wife and three kids for two and a half months.

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Yeah, she was incredible.

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And we both were sitting there watching The Secret.

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This was 2006.

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Ah, yeah, yeah.

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halfway through, halfway through the movie, you know, all these things were coming into my head that had occurred over the previous three years after the diagnosis, and I just looked at her and I said, "I have to be a hypnotist."

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And she looked back and she said, "Yes, you do."

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Wow.

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supportive, and I really believe that that experience was one of the things that really helped me to save my life.

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how did you heal from Lyme disease and leukemia? Well, it's interesting, when you buy a $40,000 car and they ask you if you want the $800 undercoating, it's like, "Sure, why not?" Like because compared to the, the 40 or $50,000 car, it's nothing.

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And I felt that way about the Lyme disease.

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Lyme disease, whatever, you know, compared to leukemia that they're telling me maybe I'll live 10 years.

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And I did find my way to a, this is another one of these synchronicities.

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I found my way to a naturopathic doctor because the hematologist oncologist had already admitted, "We don't know what to do."

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And she, was an incredible person, and she really helped me understand healing at a deep, deep level.

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She used kinesiology or muscle testing.

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I had gone to her to get a recommendation to go to the school 'cause the school wanted recommendations, and she looked at me and she said, "Why are you asking me for a recommendation?" We later became friends.

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And I was like, "Uh, because you're a doctor," and like and she said, "Did you know that I was trained as a hypnotist before I became a naturopath?" I mean, all these wild...

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You know, the fabric was just sewn so tightly.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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Uh, you both seem to know what "The Secret" is.

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I haven't actually seen- You haven't seen it? the film or read the book- What? I had a kind of idea that it was about the Kabbalah.

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It was like a, a layman's Kabbalah.

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I wasn't sure.

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Can you tell our audience at home what the, what, what about "The Secret" and synchronicity go together for you? So The Secret, at least what I remember of it, and I saw it in 2006, was that your mind is incredibly powerful and that it creates your reality And they used the example I remember of the genie with Aladdin's lamp, Mm-hmm.

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said, You, you get anything that you fervently imagine, you put a lot of emotion behind it, just like making a wish, that the subconscious mind is that powerful."

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And that's where I looked at my wife and I said, "Oh my God, that-- this is true how powerful our subconscious minds are.

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I have to learn how to control mine so that I can extend my life."

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That was my thought process.

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Okay, so that, that does actually have a lot of parallels to the Jewish Kabbalah, cause th- my mom practiced that all through my childhood as, a kind of way of manifesting resources that we needed to survive.

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And so she would imagine, for example, desperately, she desperately needed 500 bucks, and so she would imagine, and she would sit and meditate as, say, in 1979, 1980, she would- Imagine $500 being in her hand and what that would look like.

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It would look like a check, and she would think about all the different ways in which that, that, that would manifest.

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And then it would happen, and like a couple weeks later, like a, um, some random return or, IRS return or some other thing, and then she would like, "Oh, here's this $500 check has arrived."

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And so I- when I heard about "The Secret," I remember thinking, "Oh, that's like the Kabbalah."

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And I'm not even sure if the writers are doing it consciously or unconsciously, so.

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It made a lot of people famous.

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Oh, yeah.

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That one of the-- I think that was the first time we actually streamed a movie at home and didn't have to go to Blockbuster and rent a movie.

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I think that was the first thing that we just paid for over the internet and streamed it.

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That's the other thing I remember about it.

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That's so funny.

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Wow.

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It's very interesting.

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there's a book, I don't know if you've read it, called "The 12 Stages of Healing."

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No.

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and it talks a lot about this, like how sort of the healing process, and it sounds like you, you moved very quickly through the first few stages 'cause a lot of them is sort of like, "Why did this happen to me?" And you feel like a victim, and you look for something outside of you to, to fix you, and that the healing actually doesn't start until you take ownership of the healing process yourself.

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Exactly.

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This sounds very much like, and I can't remember, I think it might be steps or stages of how we respond when somebody close to us dies.

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Oh, yeah, the stages of grief, yeah.

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I remember clearly going through denial.

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That was the very first thing.

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I, I almost-- I think I was scoffing.

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It was like, "That-- There's no way that I have Lyme disease and leukemia.

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Give me a break.

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I, I wanna come back and give blood again."

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I did, and I got the exact same results.

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And then I remember Anger was huge.

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I remember pounding my steering wheel being so angry, feeling like it was so unfair.

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Mm-hmm.

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That, that's, uh, Elisabeth Kubler-Ross.

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That's you go.

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grief, yeah.

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So I, I, I definitely felt myself moving through some of those, and the biggest shift was before I went to Santa Fe versus when I came back.

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And the way I described it to myself and others was, before I went there, it w- the, the leukemia diagnosis was the book of my life.

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In other words, every thought, every action, every sensation had to run through that prism of, Well, you've been diagnosed," you know? And when I came back, it was like, "Oh, it's just one of these chapters.

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I've already read it.

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I can keep going forward."

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Are you completely healed now? not by medical standards, not by allopathic medical standards, um, but my white blood cell count, which is what they use as a measurement, is less than half of what it was when I was diagnosed, and the trend is supposed to like, it just gets higher and higher and higher, and then it crowds out red blood cells, and then you die.

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and I never had to do any k- I, I never wanted to do any kind of conventional allopathic treatment for it.

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Wow, that's incredible.

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But that's, it's been 27 years? No, it's been 23 years.

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23, Yeah, I was diagnosed in 2003.

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Wow, that's amazing.

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so as a hypnotherapist, I think a lot of people feel like maybe it's a bit scary or that it's fake.

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Mm-hmm.

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Would you say those are kinda like the common objections or, like, fears that people come to you with? Particularly the first one, particularly the fear, um, which I've, I've always described hypnosis as like a double-edged sword.

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So people are fascinated by it Mm-hmm.

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because the words and the concepts of hypnosis, hypnotize, and mesmerize have been in our culture since we can remember as children in every form of communication imaginable, even the lyrics of popular songs.

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And so it has this fascinating quality which is, which is valuable because it means that there's an interest.

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And the other side of that, the other edge of the sword, is the fear because in that, in that theatrical version of hypnosis, it's always one person, hypnotist, is controlling the other person, subject, who's in a catatonic sleep-like state.

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They do whatever they're told, and they don't remember anything.

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And when people understand that they go in and out of hypnosis all the time anyway without a hypnotist present, and you're able to explain what those scenarios are like, they're like, "Oh, right.

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I get it Yeah.

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by bringing some reality into the definition.

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So how, like, can you tell us h- a little bit how we go into these states all the time and that we're not aware of? 'Cause I also think we're being hypnotized all the Yeah, we are.

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We are.

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We are.

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And, and I'll, I'll be happy to touch on that too, 'cause I find that fascinating as well.

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Um, so I'll start with, uh, with my definition, because there's lots of definitions of hypnosis.

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Mine is a focused state of concentration where selective thinking is employed, and the reason why it...

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Since, you know, hundreds of years ago, hypnotists have been using, like, a swinging watch or something or a flickering candle flame.

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It's to narrow the focus of the client or the subject, because that's part of the state.

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And when you narrow your focus enough, you enter this state that we call hypnosis or trance.

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When you watch a movie and you're totally absorbed by it and the movie ends and you're like, "That was two hours? It felt like it was 20 minutes," that's because you entered that focused state of concentration where selective thinking was employed.

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In other words, th- our experience, our, beta state of brainwaves of time disappeared, right? Time...

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And, and it just so happens that all of the best experiences of our life, time vanishes.

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It evaporates.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which is one of the laws of the subconscious mind, is that it doesn't have any sense of time.

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Everything is now.

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Which also happens to mirror the quantum reality.

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Quantum physicists would tell us that there is no time.

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Time is an illusion created by a planet rotating on its own axis as it orbits the sun, giving us day and night and the seasons.

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So when people watch television or a movie or they read a novel or they're driving home from work and they're thinking about something in their life, a relationship, something that happened at work, a movie they saw, and they pull into the driveway and they can't remember driving the last 10, 15, 20 minutes, it's not early-onset Alzheimer's.

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Mm-hmm.

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entered a hypnotic state where time does not exist, and pain doesn't exist in that state either.

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you know, a person can be taking a shower and go, "How did I get this bruise that's this big on my thigh? Where did that come from?" And then they might go, "Well, I guess it was when I was working on the house two days ago," or, "When I was playing that pickup basketball game."

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Yeah, okay, great.

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Why didn't you feel the pain? state of you were in a focused state of concentration, and the pain was actually outside of that tiny diameter of your focus and therefore, like time, it was not recognized.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this is one of the key, understandings that I use when helping people to resolve things in their life Mm.

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So I really focus in on root cause, and root cause is always a trauma, and the trauma's always in the past.

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Well, to the subconscious mind, it's not in the past.

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To the subconscious mind, it's now.

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And that's why when that person gets triggered, they have a real physiological response as though they were being attacked right now.

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You're, And you can use that same phenomenon to help them travel into what we call the past to resolve what happened in in i- in its place and time.

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And when you do that, subconscious mind now no longer views that incident as a clear and present danger.

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So when the person gets triggered, nothing happens.

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you're describing, uh, exactly what I think what happens when Harmony and I go into a yoga room and initiate a, a meditation, program.,

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And they're described by the classical yoga sutras of Patanjali of Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi, where you enter one pointed concentration, it becomes, dissolved, and then you, in Samadhi, lose track of time.

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Yes.

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And then as I said before, when you asked, um, what's the difference between meditation and hypnosis, and I said it's what you do as a hypnotist while you're in that state.

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So what I'm doing with clients is I'm bringing them to various places in order to resolve the old emotional wounds that they've been carrying that to the subconscious mind is in the, is in the present, is now.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this is where what I learned from my naturopath came in so beautifully because a naturopath, I learned, believes the only reason a person's sick is because they either have environmental toxins in their body and/or they have a lack of the basic building blocks or nutrients that they need.

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And so I just kind of added on to that and said, "Well, if you have emotional toxins, it can wreak all kinds of havoc to your body, to your, your relationships, to your income, to your mental health, everything."

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It's interesting, I do a lot of this work too, like through somatic, like through the somatic, sort of embodiment practices of going into, like feeling where the fixation is or the pain in the body, and then feeling into the emotional state or whatever images, memories come up.

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And it is, I mean, from how you're explaining sort of hypnotherapy, kind of a sense of hypnotherapy, and you can follow and trace that imprint all the way back to maybe one of the first memories of having that sensation in the body, and it's typically always related to, you know, a trauma, not necessarily a big T trauma, like, but something for a child that would be very traumatic.

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because for children, what's traumatic isn't, you know, maybe traumatic for an adult.

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confusing just to be locked in a room for a half hour.

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Yeah, right? Mm-hmm.

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Like that's quite traumatic for a child or, yeah, or like different things.

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And so you can kinda trace it all the way back and then even rewrite the memory or call in like a, like a being of light or some kind of, supportive, being to help emotionally kind of reset or emotionally respond to the child in that state.

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And the child's, as you said, still with us and in us, and so that then kind of like heals that wound.

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Is that the kind of work that you also do? very, much so.

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It, it's...

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I, I sometimes call it Western shamanism.

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I was gonna ask you that.

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I was gonna say, do you know anything about journeying and shamanism? 'Cause I feel it's very similar.

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Th-this, this same naturopath who was originally trained as a hypnotist, once she became a naturopath, and when I was friends with her, she did training as a shaman.

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And so we would trade sessions with each other, and so I learned from her about shamanism and the whole concept of journeying into the past to recover lost and wounded parts of yourself, Yeah.

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which I think my experience of that is it's much bigger, 'cause it doesn't have to actually be a child.

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It could be your 26-year-old self and you're 50.

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It could be you from a previous lifetime.

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a, but it's a part of you that is lost, and wounded, who is waiting essentially for you to c- go back through what we call time and rescue that version of you and then reintegrate with who you are now.

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So powerful.

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I, I wonder if you could speak more about your-- Y- you come back from Santa Fe with these new skills.

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I'm still at a loss to understand how you went from this place of learning to 23 years later being in a state of he- of healing, of present healing.

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Mm-hmm.

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without medical science, how you were able to, reduce your white blood cell count.

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Like, what's going on? What sort of, what started from that day that allowed your entire nervous system to start to heal itself? Russell's like, "How do you look so young?" a great question, and it also informs how I think about my clients.

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You know, if, if somebody comes in and they're having trouble sleeping or they're struggling in their relationship or they have migraine headaches or they have tremendous anxiety or, or anxiety when they're speaking in public, whatever it is, I imagine them as sitting before me with several arrows sticking out of their body, invisible arrows sticking out of their body.

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And sometimes I even say to them, "You know, if you walked into a doctor's office and said, 'You know, I'm really having trouble sleeping and I've got all this anxiety,' and they had three physical arrows sticking out of them, the doctor would say, 'Well, why don't we take those arrows out of you and then see how things go?'" c- And so I, can I just stop you for just one second? So what I'm- I love that.

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what I'm reading about right now in my "Singing to Plants" book by Stefan Ba- Bayer, which is his, accounts his time in Peru studying ayahuasca, is that the role of the shaman in Peru is to remove, uh, magic darts from his patients.

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And because shamans are constantly shooting, uh, darts at other shamans or other people trying to curse them, and your job is to suck them out.

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So I just think that's very-- There's a lot of synchronicity there 'cause we were just discussing the shaman, and you're looking at your patients as being full of magic darts.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the, and that each one in my opinion represents an old trauma, Yeah.

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a trauma from earlier in this life or a trauma from a past life.

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the other thing that we sort of jokingly touched on before we went live or recorded is the whole concept of a spiritual entity attachment.

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So that's another, that's another kind of arrow that a person could have in their body, and our paradigm in the West doesn't really recognize that so much.

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But when a person is able to be free of these things, they often feel a lot better, so that's something else that I also look at for people.

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Yeah, I love that.

318
00:29:43,162.5945058 --> 00:29:43,272.5946393
I...

319
00:29:43,272.5946393 --> 00:29:59,292.5936952
We were just talking about how I was listening to your YouTube, video that talks about doing the pendulum work and then clearing any spiritual entities that might be attached to your physical being or your energy being.

320
00:29:59,322.5943818 --> 00:30:07,589.2611534
What is a spiritual entity? I'll answer that if you want, but before I do, I wanna get back to your question, which was how did I go from that to this, Yes.

321
00:30:07,629.2612345 --> 00:30:08,749.2612392
We have too many questions.

322
00:30:08,749.2612392 --> 00:30:09,464.2614681
I'm It's okay.

323
00:30:09,604.2608578 --> 00:30:09,954.2612392
It's all right.

324
00:30:09,954.2612392 --> 00:30:10,604.2608578
I'm keeping track.

325
00:30:10,604.2608578 --> 00:30:11,754.26143
I've got a little notepad here.

326
00:30:13,857.5945821 --> 00:30:32,107.59339
so for me, I think what happened is while I was in Santa Fe, and as I said, we chose one of the instructors to be our hypnotherapist, and I did some really, really deep work, not just with my hypnotherapist instructor, but also working with other students outside of class.

327
00:30:32,107.59339 --> 00:30:42,797.5939241
I had some unbelievable experiences, and I think that many of these represented removing some of my own emotional traumatic wounds from my own past.

328
00:30:43,157.5945344 --> 00:30:46,865.0938859
And that's why when I came home, certain things had happened.

329
00:30:47,37.5936952 --> 00:30:57,947.5939622
Like I mentioned how the, the leukemia diagnosis didn't scare me anymore It, it wasn't, it wasn't the, the central book of my life through which everything flowed.

330
00:30:58,137.5940194 --> 00:31:00,697.5939622
It was now just this, this chapter in the background.

331
00:31:01,427.5935044 --> 00:31:06,567.5938478
And my wife has gotten annoyed with me over the years saying, How come you don't keep working on that 'cause your white blood cells..."

332
00:31:06,567.5938478 --> 00:31:07,567.5938478
And it's like, it's fine.

333
00:31:07,667.5942292 --> 00:31:11,307.5936189
Like, yeah, like I totally calmed down about it.

334
00:31:11,367.5930848 --> 00:31:19,277.5929322
And then the other thing was when I came back, I didn't have the anger that I had when I left, and the anger wasn't just with this diagnosis.

335
00:31:19,317.5938478 --> 00:31:21,587.5943055
I had that independent of the diagnosis.

336
00:31:22,267.5946107 --> 00:31:26,525.0924554
Like with my little kids, they would do little kid things, and my body would get hijacked.

337
00:31:26,525.0924554 --> 00:31:28,555.0912347
I mean, most of us can understand what that means.

338
00:31:28,735.0915399 --> 00:31:32,345.0921502
Jaw gets locked, feel like I-- it's a great idea to put my fist through a wall.

339
00:31:32,885.0930657 --> 00:31:37,125.0909295
You know, feel my, my shoulders coming up by my, my ears and just...

340
00:31:37,955.0927606 --> 00:31:47,315.0933709
And, and when I came back, it was gone, and it hasn't returned, and that's, you know, 20 years ago now, since 2006.

341
00:31:48,110.0921574 --> 00:31:48,230.0921025
Yeah.

342
00:31:48,230.0921025 --> 00:32:03,5.0921383
What's interesting, like from a scientific perspective, it, you know, your nervous system like reset to a different baseline- Mm-hmm so that you have so much more resilience and tolerance to be able to handle day-to-day stress.

343
00:32:03,300.0929895 --> 00:32:03,570.0915399
Mm-hmm.

344
00:32:03,570.0915399 --> 00:32:07,470.0930657
Which I think is like scientifically very, very helpful from that perspective.

345
00:32:07,470.0930657 --> 00:32:42,48.4264277
But I think energetically or, you know, spiritually is also very interesting to look at that perspective, to what you're speaking to, is these, these wounds that we carry spiritually, energetically, emotionally, mentally, like kind of accumulate and build up the intensity or the toxicity in some way in our bodies, in our minds, in our energetic field, and decrease our ability to be healthy, you know? absolutely.

346
00:32:42,48.4264277 --> 00:32:47,861.0545644
And the other, uh, you know, on the same line that you're talking about, the autonomic nervous system only has two modes.

347
00:32:48,536.0550317 --> 00:32:48,976.0549697
Mm-hmm.

348
00:32:49,101.0552892 --> 00:32:53,551.0550985
You're either in rest and digest or you're in fight or flight.

349
00:32:53,976.0550484 --> 00:32:54,356.0549841
Mm-hmm.

350
00:32:54,731.0554037 --> 00:32:57,881.0550222
Sympathetic is fight or flight, parasympathetic is rest and digest.

351
00:32:57,881.0550222 --> 00:32:58,331.0557851
That's it.

352
00:32:58,526.0550007 --> 00:33:00,91.0541067
Those, those are the only two choices you have.

353
00:33:00,91.0541067 --> 00:33:00,941.0544881
There is no third.

354
00:33:01,586.0550222 --> 00:33:01,646.054965
Yeah.

355
00:33:01,646.054965 --> 00:33:01,706.055027
Mm-hmm.

356
00:33:01,706.055027 --> 00:33:01,736.0549984
Mm-hmm.

357
00:33:02,171.0559377 --> 00:33:07,326.0549936
And people who are in chronic stress, Yeah.

358
00:33:07,461.0549459 --> 00:33:28,571.0536489
activated sympathetic nervous system, let's think about from a scientific standpoint what's happening, which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, and that is all your body's major systems, so your endocrine system, your digestive system, your reproductive system, and in my case, your immune system, is donating or giving energy to the muscles so that you can run or fight.

359
00:33:28,821.0536489 --> 00:33:33,351.0562429
Because when that tiger or leopard is coming at you, you don't need an immune function.

360
00:33:33,951.054717 --> 00:33:39,111.0545644
You don't need a reproductive function or a digestive, 'cause if you don't survive this, it's all, it's bets are off anyway.

361
00:33:40,521.0550317 --> 00:33:52,671.0547504
But the difference is that your subconscious does not distinguish between a live attack of a, of a predator coming at you and watching some catastrophe on television.

362
00:33:53,676.0549793 --> 00:33:53,946.055437
No.

363
00:33:54,701.0550627 --> 00:33:58,296.0551223
It's the same thing, We're getting too many emails.

364
00:33:58,671.0551509 --> 00:33:59,881.0551891
Yeah, that's right.

365
00:33:59,881.0551891 --> 00:34:00,511.0548267
To, to...

366
00:34:00,511.0548267 --> 00:34:02,171.0546741
Your, your bills piling up.

367
00:34:02,471.0546741 --> 00:34:02,806.055046
Yeah.

368
00:34:03,116.055108 --> 00:34:03,176.0550508
Yeah.

369
00:34:03,236.0550651 --> 00:34:22,736.0559187
And that was the thing that I was really struck by, and especially in hindsight, looking back at what was happening mechanically to me the first time that I was hypnotized, is that I was clearly having a kind of vagal response to, the, the work, and I was going into a parasympathetic s- state.

370
00:34:23,296.0559806 --> 00:34:34,124.3896287
And I wonder if you, think about, complementary, techniques along with hypnotherapy that, that bring on a vagal stimulation well, sh- sure.

371
00:34:34,124.3896287 --> 00:34:36,934.3898099
I mean, certain songs.

372
00:34:37,314.3896764 --> 00:34:37,414.3897002
Mm-hmm.

373
00:34:37,414.3897002 --> 00:34:38,14.3897241
Mm-hmm.

374
00:34:38,164.389829 --> 00:34:39,114.3896382
mean, lang...

375
00:34:39,114.3896382 --> 00:34:42,74.3896859
I, and I can simplify it by saying language Yeah.

376
00:34:42,374.3896859 --> 00:34:45,164.3896668
and tone of voice Mm-hmm.

377
00:34:45,464.3896668 --> 00:34:46,914.389829
and nature.

378
00:34:47,424.3896621 --> 00:34:47,834.3896287
Mm-hmm.

379
00:34:47,834.3896287 --> 00:34:48,694.3897622
Mm-hmm.

380
00:34:48,694.3897622 --> 00:34:51,184.3897717
Yeah.

381
00:34:51,774.389705 --> 00:35:00,834.3894093
when I would teach classes about the power of your words, and I would have, you know, a room full of people close their eyes, and I would just say, "I just want you to listen to the words that I'm saying.

382
00:35:00,834.3894093 --> 00:35:02,714.3895238
I'm gonna give you two two-word phrases."

383
00:35:03,314.3899053 --> 00:35:03,974.3897527
Let's do it now.

384
00:35:04,104.3898671 --> 00:35:05,74.3897813
You wanna Yeah, let's do it.

385
00:35:05,74.3897813 --> 00:35:05,564.3899053
Yeah, it.

386
00:35:05,564.3899053 --> 00:35:06,224.3897527
Okay, close your eyes.

387
00:35:06,454.3892949 --> 00:35:17,604.3889134
All right, your job is to just, just listen to these two two-word phrases and just let whatever images come into your mind that wanna come in, any sounds that wanna come in, uh, and any feelings in your body.

388
00:35:18,164.3902867 --> 00:35:18,344.3905919
All right.

389
00:35:18,554.3896764 --> 00:35:21,484.3899815
So the first one is cuddly baby.

390
00:35:23,214.3895238 --> 00:35:24,304.3896764
Cuddly baby.

391
00:35:27,24.389674 --> 00:35:27,914.3897193
Cuddly baby.

392
00:35:30,454.3896716 --> 00:35:32,604.3896478
All right, now I'm gonna do the second one.

393
00:35:33,854.3896478 --> 00:35:34,954.3897908
Black dagger.

394
00:35:37,24.3896549 --> 00:35:38,654.3895905
Black dagger.

395
00:35:40,754.3896644 --> 00:35:42,14.3897145
Black dagger.

396
00:35:43,714.3897622 --> 00:35:44,334.3898862
And open your eyes.

397
00:35:45,724.3896859 --> 00:35:45,774.3896382
Hmm.

398
00:35:45,774.3896382 --> 00:35:50,874.3895429
Why'd you leave me with Black Dagger? So the, the first one I started expressing milk.

399
00:35:50,904.3897527 --> 00:35:51,864.3897908
I don't know if you did.

400
00:35:52,254.3896573 --> 00:35:59,624.3902104
But yeah, I had an oxytocin response, and then, the second one reminded me of a bad trip I had in 1993.

401
00:35:59,624.3902104 --> 00:36:01,604.3899577
It was un- And how...

402
00:36:01,604.3899577 --> 00:36:06,964.3898862
S- so how did your, how did your body respond to the two phrases? Yeah.

403
00:36:07,24.3899482 --> 00:36:08,824.3900197
I was much more alert the second time.

404
00:36:09,664.3899005 --> 00:36:11,424.3899243
With black dagger? Yeah.

405
00:36:11,554.3900388 --> 00:36:12,64.3898766
I Okay.

406
00:36:12,184.3899529 --> 00:36:14,184.3896764
Yeah, like alert for danger? Yeah, alert.

407
00:36:14,524.3896764 --> 00:36:16,614.389829
And the first one you said was, was like...

408
00:36:16,774.389829 --> 00:36:18,544.3901341
expressing milk- Yeah, I remember.

409
00:36:18,544.3901341 --> 00:36:19,114.389829
I heard that.

410
00:36:19,114.389829 --> 00:36:20,254.3903249
We I am.

411
00:36:20,254.3903249 --> 00:36:20,354.3897908
Mm.

412
00:36:20,654.3897908 --> 00:36:20,734.3897145
it.

413
00:36:23,864.3899124 --> 00:36:24,194.3898957
Yeah.

414
00:36:24,194.3898957 --> 00:36:27,804.3897908
It was, like, so soft and, like, ah.

415
00:36:27,834.3900006 --> 00:36:27,864.3897336
Mm-hmm.

416
00:36:27,864.3897336 --> 00:36:29,434.3899053
And then the second one was like, "Ugh."

417
00:36:29,714.3901151 --> 00:36:30,234.390096
Yeah.

418
00:36:30,934.3899053 --> 00:36:31,174.3896764
Yeah.

419
00:36:31,734.3899315 --> 00:36:32,964.3900102
Yeah, I saw you smile.

420
00:36:33,464.3898576 --> 00:36:33,934.3898862
Mm-hmm.

421
00:36:34,34.38991 --> 00:36:36,674.3901341
Yeah, 'cause I, like, literally felt like I got gut punched.

422
00:36:37,224.3898838 --> 00:36:41,734.3898766
And did either one of you have any visuals? Oh, no, I didn't.

423
00:36:41,834.3899005 --> 00:36:42,324.3897908
I did.

424
00:36:42,324.3897908 --> 00:36:54,694.389786
I, I, like, had my son when he was a baby, and just, like, being with him and seeing him, and was like, "Oh, And were you first person or were you third person watching? I was first person.

425
00:36:55,4.3898003 --> 00:36:57,364.3898051
And, and you had him in your arms? yeah.

426
00:36:58,304.3896335 --> 00:36:59,44.3898814
Okay.

427
00:36:59,164.3899959 --> 00:37:07,107.7227951
Like, when he was- Mm-hmm like, really small, just like, "Oh, Were there any colors? Yeah, I think it was, in color, for sure.

428
00:37:09,267.7230121 --> 00:37:09,637.7229573
Yeah.

429
00:37:09,827.7230145 --> 00:37:19,897.7234246
I mean, like, kinda like white, like a white blanket, white-ish blue blanket, and just, like, yeah, just, like, seeing his cute little face and his skin.

430
00:37:20,757.722993 --> 00:37:24,522.7230049
And your body probably responded to that, right? By softening, sure.

431
00:37:24,712.7230622 --> 00:37:25,682.7230908
I was like, "Ah."

432
00:37:25,742.7230335 --> 00:37:33,792.7230812
Yeah, I could feel it for Okay, so then the contrast with black dagger, did you see anything? Oh yeah, I saw the black dagger enter my stomach and my solar plexus.

433
00:37:33,807.723024 --> 00:37:35,522.7231003
Oh, it was going into you? Oh yeah.

434
00:37:36,2.7231194 --> 00:37:41,867.7231575
And I was like, Why are you doing this to me?" was that first person or third person? It was also first person.

435
00:37:42,167.7231575 --> 00:37:44,972.723024
any, any pain or any discomfort? Yeah.

436
00:37:45,2.7229954 --> 00:37:47,292.7229573
That's why I started laughing.

437
00:37:47,372.7231194 --> 00:37:50,352.7231384
I was like, "Ugh, ugh, ugh, come on."

438
00:37:50,487.7229906 --> 00:37:57,677.7230312
Was anyone holding the dagger? No, it was just being shot from a, from a non person source.

439
00:37:57,977.7230312 --> 00:37:58,297.723024
Okay.

440
00:37:58,477.7230908 --> 00:37:58,777.7230431
All right.

441
00:37:59,507.7230622 --> 00:38:05,712.7230288
Well, I mean, this is, this is so powerful, right? Like, and I didn't even use my voice Mm-hmm.

442
00:38:06,342.723024 --> 00:38:08,392.7232147
You didn't even use your hypnotic voice.

443
00:38:08,927.7230216 --> 00:38:10,287.7229763
Well, I, I, I didn't.

444
00:38:10,307.7230049 --> 00:38:25,597.7222038
I mean, I-- V- I, and I, do that on purpose to try, to try to keep them the same to show people the difference, because then if you add in the, the tone, cadence, pitch, volume, timbre, silence of your voice to support what it is you're saying, you can make it even more powerful.

445
00:38:25,897.7222038 --> 00:38:26,132.7230812
Mm.

446
00:38:26,132.7230812 --> 00:38:26,622.7230908
Yeah.

447
00:38:26,747.7237297 --> 00:38:32,267.7222801
And this is happening all the time with people's devices and televisions, and in the airport, there's stuff playing on the, you know.

448
00:38:32,497.7237297 --> 00:38:37,672.7229906
Like, you walk into a room or a shop, and there's always something on Yeah.

449
00:38:37,857.7224327 --> 00:38:39,92.7229477
with words know.

450
00:38:39,342.7229477 --> 00:38:39,892.7231384
Yeah, yeah.

451
00:38:40,27.7244164 --> 00:38:41,567.7215172
and with tone behind it.

452
00:38:41,832.7231957 --> 00:38:41,892.7231384
Yeah.

453
00:38:42,262.723024 --> 00:38:43,462.7228333
Yeah.

454
00:38:43,662.7231194 --> 00:38:43,852.7231766
Yeah.

455
00:38:43,882.7229096 --> 00:38:44,242.7230431
Yeah.

456
00:38:44,377.7228905 --> 00:38:48,967.7230431
there, are there ways to consciously go into that parasympathetic state? Absolutely.

457
00:38:48,967.7230431 --> 00:38:50,227.7213646
There's so many of them.

458
00:38:50,657.7216698 --> 00:39:01,477.7213646
I, I would say It's getting harder for us because we're bombarded, as I was just saying, with so much media that we often don't have any control over in, like, in public spaces and so forth.

459
00:39:02,122.7230717 --> 00:39:02,282.7230383
Yeah.

460
00:39:02,312.7230097 --> 00:39:02,802.7230192
Yeah, you...

461
00:39:02,912.7230335 --> 00:39:13,669.3900149
We're almo- I think we're at a stage in our human evolution where we have to consciously create, silence- Non, non-digital and non-stimulation time.

462
00:39:13,669.3900149 --> 00:39:14,769.3894427
Non-digital space.

463
00:39:14,999.3899386 --> 00:39:20,789.389767
Which is different than, you know, maybe any other time in history Oh, I'm sure.

464
00:39:20,819.3896335 --> 00:39:22,299.3891757
it would've naturally happened.

465
00:39:22,299.3891757 --> 00:39:26,249.3899386
I mean, even when you were growing up, when we were growing up, I mean- In the 80s being bored was normal.

466
00:39:26,279.3906253 --> 00:39:26,649.3895572
Yeah.

467
00:39:27,389.3896978 --> 00:39:27,889.3897574
Oh, yeah.

468
00:39:27,999.3899386 --> 00:39:28,189.3897574
Yeah.

469
00:39:28,289.3889468 --> 00:39:35,779.3906253
There wasn't TV on at like 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, and e- even at like, you know- A car ride was a nightmare noon.

470
00:39:35,999.3880313 --> 00:39:39,439.3904727
Yeah, it was like- For children.

471
00:39:39,499.3880313 --> 00:39:40,259.3901675
Yeah, for children.

472
00:39:40,259.3901675 --> 00:39:40,339.3881839
Yeah.

473
00:39:40,539.3889468 --> 00:39:46,649.3895572
And that, that was our childhood, just sitting there looking at cows- for hours.

474
00:39:46,969.389252 --> 00:39:47,809.3894046
Going to the Grand Canyon.

475
00:39:47,809.3894046 --> 00:39:48,259.3901675
Here we go.

476
00:39:48,259.3901675 --> 00:39:49,409.3878787
And it's so different now.

477
00:39:49,409.3878787 --> 00:39:52,969.389252
I mean- Three weeks you must see it with your kids too, right? of just staring out the window.

478
00:39:53,519.3896883 --> 00:40:00,642.7225853
Well, one of the s- smartest things we did, and it wasn't my idea, it was my wife's idea, was to get rid of our television when they were born.

479
00:40:01,212.7229143 --> 00:40:01,612.7228905
Mm.

480
00:40:02,212.7230335 --> 00:40:16,452.7231194
Oh, And I, I knew she was right when she f- when she said it, because if we tried to hold onto it and watch it, you know, on the down low, children have a bullshit meter, and they'd be like, you know, "Well, how come you get to watch it?" And there, there's no answer to that.

481
00:40:16,482.7228523 --> 00:40:17,527.722881
You Yeah.

482
00:40:17,542.7223183 --> 00:40:19,22.7237679
cause I'm the parent, 'cause I'm the adult.

483
00:40:19,22.7237679 --> 00:40:20,62.7227761
There's no answer to that.

484
00:40:20,62.7227761 --> 00:40:21,242.7230812
So we just got rid of it.

485
00:40:21,852.7236916 --> 00:40:28,356.0571775
And to this day, and they're 28, 26, and 24, to this day they're not drinkers.

486
00:40:28,916.0566434 --> 00:40:29,896.0561857
They just don't drink.

487
00:40:30,366.055499 --> 00:40:31,966.0577879
And it wasn't 'cause we told them not to drink.

488
00:40:32,66.056262 --> 00:40:32,896.058093
They just don't drink.

489
00:40:33,26.0553464 --> 00:40:33,716.0577879
They don't do drugs.

490
00:40:33,716.0577879 --> 00:40:34,696.0573301
They don't, they don't drink.

491
00:40:35,386.0559568 --> 00:40:38,716.0547361
None of them are even on, um, you know, prescribed meds or anything.

492
00:40:39,626.0576353 --> 00:40:42,96.0550413
They, they don't really like social media.

493
00:40:42,751.0562691 --> 00:40:42,841.0562429
Mm-hmm.

494
00:40:42,841.0562429 --> 00:40:43,101.0562334
Mm-hmm.

495
00:40:43,156.0564146 --> 00:40:44,946.0573301
They're kind of throwbacks in a sense.

496
00:40:45,356.0571775 --> 00:40:57,606.059576
And my wife and I think that that's in large measure because when they were growing up, there was no television, and we, Insisted that they go outside every day in Connecticut and Upstate New York, regardless of what the weather was doing.

497
00:40:57,641.0595617 --> 00:41:02,21.0568151
Even if it was for, like, five minutes, they had to get dressed, you know, bundled up, and go out.

498
00:41:02,416.0595855 --> 00:41:04,161.0592565
Yeah.

499
00:41:04,461.0592565 --> 00:41:10,136.0595426
is that what would usually happen would be that we'd have to drag them back in, like, two hours later 'cause Yeah.

500
00:41:10,396.0595331 --> 00:41:10,456.0595951
Yeah.

501
00:41:10,641.0595617 --> 00:41:11,951.0571203
they were having such a great time.

502
00:41:12,306.0596189 --> 00:41:15,321.0595855
what, what gender of children do you have? girl in the...

503
00:41:15,321.0595855 --> 00:41:16,691.0595903
Three, girl in the middle.

504
00:41:17,591.0594472 --> 00:41:18,611.0594282
So boy, girl, boy.

505
00:41:19,26.0595235 --> 00:41:19,506.0595426
Boy, girl, boy.

506
00:41:19,506.0595426 --> 00:41:19,656.059638
I have two.

507
00:41:19,746.0595522 --> 00:41:20,36.059514
Wow.

508
00:41:20,756.0595426 --> 00:41:28,226.0593328
Do you think that, like, all the work you've done, like, did you work with them and do any, like, hypnosis work and, like, a lot of that? Yeah.

509
00:41:28,226.0593328 --> 00:41:33,74.3931334
You're like like hypnotize them to sleep and stuff? Oh, everything.

510
00:41:33,74.3931334 --> 00:41:34,214.3929999
Everything you can imagine.

511
00:41:34,244.3929713 --> 00:41:39,379.3930428
You know, I put my daughter between two, two chairs, like stiff as a board, like that, Yeah.

512
00:41:39,804.3933909 --> 00:41:40,914.3930476
parlor trick kind of thing.

513
00:41:40,914.3930476 --> 00:41:41,969.3931144
She's Yeah.

514
00:41:42,74.392895 --> 00:41:43,374.3930858
I felt like I was so rigid."

515
00:41:43,374.3930858 --> 00:41:45,124.3930858
Like she wasn't sagging at all.

516
00:41:45,124.3930858 --> 00:41:46,174.3932765
She was just like a brick.

517
00:41:46,634.3933146 --> 00:41:49,444.3927806
And then I got my eldest son to forget his name once.

518
00:41:50,784.3929332 --> 00:41:59,640.6075964
Um, That, and then my eldest son was my first, uh, spiritual hypnosis client, and I will never forget this session.

519
00:42:00,550.6074438 --> 00:42:09,725.6078634
This is a kid, at the time I think he was eight years old And he went into a past lifetime where he was in a hunting party and he was w- a Native American.

520
00:42:10,385.6079969 --> 00:42:14,205.6081686
And they killed a bear, and he felt all of this guilt about the bear.

521
00:42:14,735.6079015 --> 00:42:18,775.6078634
And so I said to him, "I'll count from three down to one, snap my fingers and the bear will be there."

522
00:42:18,825.6080541 --> 00:42:23,195.6079397
So bear comes, and I said, "Just say anything you want to the bear.

523
00:42:23,195.6079397 --> 00:42:24,855.6077871
Tell him, tell the bear you're sorry if you want."

524
00:42:24,925.6074819 --> 00:42:28,945.6079397
And so he did, and I said, "Is the bear speaking back to you?" And he said yes.

525
00:42:29,55.60855 --> 00:42:32,5.6074056
And I asked him, "What did the bear say?" Eight-year-old boy.

526
00:42:32,505.6074056 --> 00:42:38,615.6061086
And he said, "The bear's telling me that when life is given for life, a higher purpose is achieved."

527
00:42:41,505.6068716 --> 00:42:42,95.6077632
Wow.

528
00:42:42,335.6087026 --> 00:42:42,545.6077871
Hmm.

529
00:42:42,545.6077871 --> 00:42:42,935.6071767
Wow.

530
00:42:43,895.6081686 --> 00:42:45,685.6071767
That's amazing.

531
00:42:45,985.6071767 --> 00:42:46,485.6077585
Still am.

532
00:42:46,545.6077013 --> 00:42:48,405.6075964
I still get goosebumps when I tell that story.

533
00:42:49,475.6076917 --> 00:42:50,495.6076726
Wow.

534
00:42:50,525.6078825 --> 00:42:50,795.6078634
Hmm.

535
00:42:51,775.6078825 --> 00:43:01,945.6080255
Do you think people are, like, often scared they'll re- like, I mean, even just hearing that story, it makes me think of, like, are people scared of what they'll remember or what they'll find? Yes.

536
00:43:02,128.9412635 --> 00:43:12,198.9414018
And the, the solution to that fear is we identify so heavily with our persona in this life, Mm-hmm.

537
00:43:12,608.9410441 --> 00:43:17,248.9404338
and yet we live so many lifetimes, and each one has its own persona.

538
00:43:17,278.9411204 --> 00:43:22,378.9415019
That we really are like actors, and each life it's we take on a different role.

539
00:43:22,878.9415019 --> 00:43:28,868.941273
And just like actors, each role informs the actor, it doesn't define the actor.

540
00:43:29,268.9408915 --> 00:43:36,448.9411967
So when Alan Rickman died, people aren't running around saying, "Did you see what an asshole he was to Bruce Willis in that first Die Hard movie? Oh, what a...

541
00:43:36,658.9402812 --> 00:43:37,788.9413493
Let's spit on his grave."

542
00:43:38,28.9430278 --> 00:43:38,158.9402812
no.

543
00:43:38,158.9402812 --> 00:43:39,898.9414256
one's saying that No.

544
00:43:40,568.9401286 --> 00:43:41,668.9424174
because he's an actor.

545
00:43:41,728.939976 --> 00:43:43,878.9415019
He's portraying a villain in that case.

546
00:43:44,468.9416545 --> 00:43:45,678.940739
And that's what we've done.

547
00:43:46,228.939976 --> 00:43:49,388.9398234
And even in this life, there are things that we've done that we're not proud of.

548
00:43:49,758.94257 --> 00:43:59,205.6086263
But that also has the seeds in it of letting go of hubris, letting go of pride, of being able to forgive other people when we recognize the things that we've done.

549
00:43:59,575.6075582 --> 00:44:05,715.6107626
And that's one of the s- the strategies or tactics that I use if somebody is in a situation where they just don't wanna forgive someone.

550
00:44:06,505.6116781 --> 00:44:14,965.6107626
I'll have them ask their spirit guide, "Did I ever do something similar in any of my lifetimes?" And I know what the answer's gonna be, 'cause we've lived so many lifetimes.

551
00:44:14,965.6107626 --> 00:44:17,205.6080541
The ans- course it's gonna be, like, Yeah.

552
00:44:17,245.608016 --> 00:44:17,615.6080207
Yeah.

553
00:44:17,915.6077108 --> 00:44:18,475.6052694
you have."

554
00:44:18,715.6107626 --> 00:44:20,805.6071004
"Was I forgiven for that?" "Yes, I was."

555
00:44:21,315.6092367 --> 00:44:32,365.604659
Um, "Okay, do you wanna go back and re-experience being forgiven for this?" And they might want to, so great, we'll go back and we'll re-experience you being forgiven for, you know, being an executioner or something.

556
00:44:33,275.6083211 --> 00:44:34,885.6089315
And they're, they're very emotional.

557
00:44:34,995.6095419 --> 00:44:43,15.6061849
And then when they come back to present life, it's like, "Okay, so now how do you feel about forgiving your uncle or your father or your sister or whatever?" It, it's transformed it.

558
00:44:43,415.6077108 --> 00:44:58,592.9399617
How could it not? S-so much of what you describe s-sounds like, um, y- techniques and work that I've seen also in, Buddhism, and I wonder if you've ever deliberately pursued, study in any kind of, Buddhist, system? I haven't, no.

559
00:44:59,32.9398997 --> 00:44:59,492.9399379
No.

560
00:44:59,522.9401667 --> 00:45:05,712.9397471
I would say most of my work is, uh, personally, you know, I don't insist my clients...

561
00:45:05,712.9397471 --> 00:45:11,462.9397471
Th- th- they have their own belief systems or whatever, but most of my work is informed by a growing Christian faith.

562
00:45:11,572.9403575 --> 00:45:15,72.9403575
Just l- just over the last number of years, I feel like I...

563
00:45:15,372.9395945 --> 00:45:22,242.9404338
My wife and I went to see Jesus Christ Superstar in 2019 in Buffalo, and I cried the whole way home, and I don't just cry about everything.

564
00:45:22,922.940739 --> 00:45:24,502.9406627
You know? I couldn't get it out of my head.

565
00:45:24,542.9396708 --> 00:45:26,422.940739
Like, it was just so moving.

566
00:45:27,72.9384501 --> 00:45:40,812.2757269
And what comes into my mind are, and I'm certainly not a biblical scholar, but even with this forgiveness thing, let those among you without sin cast the first stone, all of that makes sense to me now in a way that it didn't make sense to me, 56 years ago when I was in Sunday school.

567
00:45:41,542.2752691 --> 00:45:44,572.2740484
Like, it was just like, uh, uh, uh, over my head.

568
00:45:44,998.2740365 --> 00:45:45,328.2740198
Mm-hmm.

569
00:45:45,328.2740198 --> 00:45:45,978.273996
Yeah.

570
00:45:46,12.2726752 --> 00:45:47,132.2754217
And now it makes sense.

571
00:45:47,158.2739912 --> 00:45:49,492.27237
I, I understand what was, being taught.

572
00:45:50,368.2740365 --> 00:45:50,768.2740723
Yeah.

573
00:45:51,118.2740961 --> 00:46:08,430.7736443
W-w-- this kind of, loving kindness meditation or putting yourself in, in imagining yourself in the position of the person who has been, hurt in some way, Like I read about these techniques in Buddhism, you know, and so I, I wondered if there was a kind of r- a conscious relation.

574
00:46:08,920.7734154 --> 00:46:11,540.7742547
But I think, I think it's just spiritual evolution.

575
00:46:11,590.7734917 --> 00:46:16,330.7732629
Like, this is what people do when they're learning to love other human beings.

576
00:46:16,560.7728051 --> 00:46:18,270.7737969
And learning to love themselves too.

577
00:46:18,270.7737969 --> 00:46:18,560.7747124
Yeah.

578
00:46:19,35.7728814 --> 00:46:26,730.422034
And for me, I find the, common phrase that we've all heard when, when very well-meaning people say, "There's nothing you can do about that.

579
00:46:26,980.422034 --> 00:46:27,950.4213473
It's in the past.

580
00:46:28,60.4219577 --> 00:46:29,140.4218814
You just have to move on."

581
00:46:29,715.4215667 --> 00:46:30,55.4216001
Mm-hmm.

582
00:46:30,150.4221103 --> 00:46:33,40.4214999
I say, "You are the past.

583
00:46:33,530.421271 --> 00:46:34,360.4231021
That's who you are."

584
00:46:35,90.4226443 --> 00:46:42,560.4200503
Because you're, you're a compendium, an amalgam of everything that's ever happened to you and how you interpreted it.

585
00:46:42,770.4229495 --> 00:46:47,450.4232547
And until we shift that, it's always gonna be the same.

586
00:46:47,955.4216907 --> 00:46:48,25.4213855
Mm-hmm.

587
00:46:48,330.4205081 --> 00:46:57,90.4226443
And the way we shift it is by, not by specifically changing the past, although there are aspects of that that we can do, like forgiveness work, for example.

588
00:46:58,360.4231021 --> 00:47:04,870.3157565
But what we can do is help you change your perspective of the past, Mm-hmm.

589
00:47:04,880.3157565 --> 00:47:10,130.3157565
The gross change would be, say, moving from a victim into a creator.

590
00:47:10,805.3141162 --> 00:47:10,925.3149554
Mm-hmm.

591
00:47:10,925.3149554 --> 00:47:10,965.3149173
Mm-hmm.

592
00:47:10,965.3149173 --> 00:47:11,215.3149173
Yeah.

593
00:47:12,115.3145358 --> 00:47:12,145.3142688
Mm-hmm.

594
00:47:12,145.3142688 --> 00:47:12,375.3147647
Mm-hmm.

595
00:47:12,375.3147647 --> 00:47:12,425.3149554
Mm-hmm.

596
00:47:13,110.3145239 --> 00:47:30,710.3157565
One of the most powerful things that anyone ever said to me when I was at the lowest point with this twin diagnosis in that, period of time before I went to Santa Fe was a psychologist said to me In response to me saying to her, "I feel like there's a black cloud following me everywhere."

597
00:47:31,570.3154132 --> 00:47:36,929.2905375
And she said, "What if the cloud is a mirror?" And it stopped me in my tracks.

598
00:47:38,329.2901561 --> 00:47:44,579.2911097
And it h- and it was a way of teaching me very subtly the power we all have.

599
00:47:45,419.7763774 --> 00:47:55,909.7761485
And this is where the, the law of correspondence from the Kybalion, or it's even in the Bible, as above, so below, as within, so without.

600
00:47:55,909.7761485 --> 00:48:02,369.775233
Anything that's happening to me on the outside is merely a, a perfect mirror reflection of what already lives inside of me.

601
00:48:02,894.7767589 --> 00:48:03,154.7760341
Yeah.

602
00:48:03,569.7759959 --> 00:48:06,409.7761485
It's, it's really early description of projection.

603
00:48:07,44.7763774 --> 00:48:08,44.7763774
Mm-hmm.

604
00:48:08,74.7761104 --> 00:48:08,174.7764918
Yeah.

605
00:48:08,174.7764918 --> 00:48:08,734.7769114
Exactly.

606
00:48:09,104.776797 --> 00:48:09,674.7764918
Yeah.

607
00:48:09,949.7764537 --> 00:48:11,319.7763869
it, you got it, right? Mm-hmm.

608
00:48:11,454.7762248 --> 00:48:12,574.777064
Bree's body got it.

609
00:48:13,4.7773692 --> 00:48:15,394.7767589
Positive and negative.

610
00:48:15,549.7764918 --> 00:48:24,49.7764918
So do I wanna keep emanating this anger about how come that guy doesn't have this, and how come that one doesn't have that, and I've been eating organic food, and how...

611
00:48:24,49.7764918 --> 00:48:25,699.7761104
And I have been drinking for 10 years.

612
00:48:25,699.7761104 --> 00:48:27,774.7764418
What's going on? Yeah.

613
00:48:27,974.7764298 --> 00:48:28,444.7764585
Yeah.

614
00:48:29,194.7763392 --> 00:48:31,704.7765681
Can- It's amazing I, I wanted to ask another question.

615
00:48:31,781.4430059 --> 00:48:33,191.4433302
so you're f- you're 41.

616
00:48:33,271.4432539 --> 00:48:39,296.4430917
Up to that point in, had you been a, a paramedic for 20 years? Is that what you had done? Has that been your life work? no.

617
00:48:39,296.4430917 --> 00:48:39,606.4431537
No.

618
00:48:39,606.4431537 --> 00:48:42,936.4430774
My wife and I were both actors when we met in New York City.

619
00:48:43,341.4428581 --> 00:48:43,816.4433826
Oh, wow.

620
00:48:44,116.4433826 --> 00:48:56,243.1093626
And then when she got pregnant with our eldest, who's now 28, I was, I was in my first Actors' Equity contract off-Broadway thing, and it was like, "I gotta let this go.

621
00:48:56,433.1098967 --> 00:49:01,163.1094389
I can't, I can't expect that I'm gonna make the kind of money or have the stability I need to have to be a father."

622
00:49:01,163.1094389 --> 00:49:02,883.1087523
So I just, I just dropped it.

623
00:49:02,883.1087523 --> 00:49:03,533.1102782
I just let it go.

624
00:49:04,353.109973 --> 00:49:14,723.1108122
And at the same time, my survival job was working on Wall Street, like commission only, where I can make really good money and just kind of come and go as I pleased cause I was a decent, decent sales guy.

625
00:49:15,256.4424671 --> 00:49:18,896.4456714
and then after that, I had my own business for a while.

626
00:49:19,146.4449085 --> 00:49:26,768.200119
When I was diagnosed, I was a consultant on Wall Street four days a week, and then one day a week I was building up a security guard business north of the city in Westchester County.

627
00:49:27,368.1985931 --> 00:49:35,482.8465152
And then the consulting business was a block and a half from the Trade Center, so on 9/11, I was headed down to Ground Zero, basically.

628
00:49:35,482.8465152 --> 00:49:39,492.841022
And then the following Tuesday, we all went back to work, and it was just a combat zone.

629
00:49:40,402.8446841 --> 00:49:44,402.8446841
So this was all in the mix with what led up to the diagnoses.

630
00:49:44,827.8435015 --> 00:49:44,947.8435063
Wow.

631
00:49:44,947.8435063 --> 00:49:45,47.8434109
Right.

632
00:49:45,47.8434109 --> 00:49:45,277.8435492
Yeah.

633
00:49:45,307.8435206 --> 00:49:45,897.8434348
Absolutely.

634
00:49:46,57.8435206 --> 00:49:47,297.8432917
I was, I was in Brooklyn.

635
00:49:47,847.8434825 --> 00:49:48,422.8434157
That's Oh, okay.

636
00:49:48,452.8434348 --> 00:49:50,457.843616
Where in Brooklyn were you? Flatbush.

637
00:49:50,707.843616 --> 00:49:53,107.8432345
I was at Brooklyn College, and I...

638
00:49:53,107.8432345 --> 00:49:55,277.8433108
Here, I'll, I'll, I'll grab it for you.

639
00:49:56,77.8435015 --> 00:49:57,327.8435015
One second.

640
00:49:57,657.8434252 --> 00:49:59,377.8436923
He has to show you a painting.

641
00:50:00,122.8434515 --> 00:50:00,402.8434825
Okay.

642
00:50:01,272.843368 --> 00:50:09,52.8435778
So yeah, I, so I was, I was doing other things, and the f- the firefighting and EMT was all volunteer, which I did for about 15 years in two states.

643
00:50:09,477.8433108 --> 00:50:13,217.8430819
Wow, that's so interesting.

644
00:50:13,457.8438067 --> 00:50:14,297.8430056
What a life.

645
00:50:14,357.8434252 --> 00:50:15,337.8439212
So many jobs.

646
00:50:15,492.8434682 --> 00:50:16,462.8434968
Yeah, for sure.

647
00:50:17,227.8434849 --> 00:50:19,447.8434539
So I was here on Flatbush Avenue.

648
00:50:19,747.8434539 --> 00:50:25,277.843616
Flatbush and what? um, I forget the cross street.

649
00:50:25,277.843616 --> 00:50:26,497.843883
Something Dutch.

650
00:50:27,762.8434443 --> 00:50:29,732.8434729
'Cause I, I lived off Flatbush for a while.

651
00:50:30,237.8434801 --> 00:50:30,347.8434348
Yeah.

652
00:50:30,377.8434062 --> 00:50:33,957.8433299
Oh, Park Slope? yeah, that's north of where I was.

653
00:50:34,312.843492 --> 00:50:34,772.8434109
Uh-huh.

654
00:50:34,822.8434825 --> 00:50:35,82.8434729
Okay.

655
00:50:35,257.8435206 --> 00:50:40,307.8432345
So I would have to go on this, on, on this bus, like maybe 15 blocks to get to Park Slope.

656
00:50:40,672.8434729 --> 00:50:41,182.8434634
Oh, gotcha.

657
00:50:41,182.8434634 --> 00:50:41,322.8434491
Okay.

658
00:50:41,807.8432345 --> 00:50:46,997.8437686
so I was here painting on September 11th.

659
00:50:47,317.8434634 --> 00:51:09,697.8434062
I had just arrived at, at graduate school, um, for my MFA, and this was all blue sky until that morning, and I was finishing this painting up, and then this black cloud appeared over the horizon And it just got really kind of active on the street.

660
00:51:09,727.843616 --> 00:51:11,27.8433299
It was like there's a lot going on.

661
00:51:11,27.8433299 --> 00:51:16,787.8430819
People were really, like, talking about stuff, and people would come up and tell me like, "A plane hit the building," you know? And I was like, "Oh, that's amazing.

662
00:51:16,787.8430819 --> 00:51:17,157.8439212
Wow."

663
00:51:17,707.8431582 --> 00:51:25,307.8435397
And then a second cloud appeared underneath, and there was like a second plane.

664
00:51:25,307.8435397 --> 00:51:26,697.8429293
I was like, "Well, that's crazy.

665
00:51:26,697.8429293 --> 00:51:27,377.8432345
That's really..."

666
00:51:27,377.8432345 --> 00:51:29,67.8437686
People were just-- wanted to tell me everything.

667
00:51:29,67.8437686 --> 00:51:32,377.8432345
I was getting, I was getting the news as a play-by-play.

668
00:51:33,187.8427005 --> 00:51:40,461.175576
And then this second black cloud turned into a white cloud, and someone came up to me and the pl- the building fell down.

669
00:51:41,51.1757286 --> 00:51:41,281.1752708
I was like...

670
00:51:45,361.176792 --> 00:51:48,971.1765678
I had already painted it white, 'cause I was like, "Well, look, I'm gonna change the cloud."

671
00:51:48,971.1765678 --> 00:51:56,679.6961856
I painted, I chan- painted it white, and then I just, I just packed everything up and, I went to go home and watch it on TV like everybody else.

672
00:51:57,174.6961736 --> 00:51:57,374.6961617
Yeah.

673
00:51:57,374.6961617 --> 00:51:57,634.6961522
Yep.

674
00:51:58,204.6962046 --> 00:51:58,394.6962619
Wow.

675
00:51:58,394.6962619 --> 00:51:58,784.6961283
Yeah.

676
00:51:59,184.6962237 --> 00:51:59,454.6962046
Yeah.

677
00:52:00,419.696157 --> 00:52:00,709.696238
Yeah.

678
00:52:00,779.6961713 --> 00:52:01,229.6962189
Wild.

679
00:52:01,229.6962189 --> 00:52:01,539.6962809
Yeah.

680
00:52:01,609.6962142 --> 00:52:02,259.6960711
It's nuts.

681
00:52:03,404.6961832 --> 00:52:07,849.6962428
I mean, it was one of the things that made me wanna be a firefighter was that, Yeah.

682
00:52:08,464.6961856 --> 00:52:20,24.6956515
because we were living in Westchester County, the northern part of Westchester County on 9/11, and two of the planes followed the Hudson River down, so they flew within probably less than a mile of our house.

683
00:52:20,489.6961832 --> 00:52:20,779.6962046
Yeah.

684
00:52:21,374.6970248 --> 00:52:27,859.6961665
and I came home and I had this thought of, what would it be like to know that you're gonna die working at a job you hate? Yeah.

685
00:52:28,4.6961856 --> 00:52:30,919.6961093
Cause I, I had worked in the Trade Center for a while, Yeah.

686
00:52:31,234.6957278 --> 00:52:31,904.6958041
and yeah.

687
00:52:31,904.6958041 --> 00:52:38,39.6961379
And, and, and then there was the whole thing with, I think it was 343, 343 firemen Mm-hmm.

688
00:52:38,39.6961379 --> 00:52:38,349.6960807
Yeah.

689
00:52:38,814.6967959 --> 00:52:39,514.6945071
dead on the same day.

690
00:52:39,514.6945071 --> 00:52:45,684.6964907
And like, and the next day they were all out responding to calls, and I just thought, All right.

691
00:52:45,714.69527 --> 00:52:47,194.6948123
This is, this is something I can do."

692
00:52:48,969.6961951 --> 00:52:50,139.6962714
And it- Wow saved your life.

693
00:52:51,4.6961736 --> 00:52:51,724.6961426
Yeah, it did.

694
00:52:52,604.6961379 --> 00:52:52,944.6962905
It did.

695
00:52:52,944.6962905 --> 00:52:55,374.6963572
That was, that was an irony for sure.

696
00:52:55,694.696052 --> 00:52:59,541.6434236
I thought I was gonna be rescuing people, and I got rescued by understanding what was going on.

697
00:53:00,6.6433855 --> 00:53:00,671.6431923
That's amazing.

698
00:53:00,971.6431923 --> 00:53:01,421.6431804
Mm-hmm.

699
00:53:01,771.6431804 --> 00:53:12,833.697831
So if someone wants to, work with you, how would they go about doing that? go to my website, which is blueskyhypnosis.com.

700
00:53:13,278.6978858 --> 00:53:13,638.6978405
Okay.

701
00:53:13,808.6979168 --> 00:53:16,333.6978644
And can you do this work online? Oh, yeah.

702
00:53:16,383.6979359 --> 00:53:16,603.6978453
Yeah.

703
00:53:17,213.6978596 --> 00:53:17,333.6979836
Yeah.

704
00:53:17,333.6979836 --> 00:53:17,843.697974
easily.

705
00:53:18,538.6979359 --> 00:53:32,413.6983436
And- Okay and blue sky is, again, the Tibetan, uh, system for the clearness of mind that happens when, when all of the, vritti and vibration of agitation disappears.

706
00:53:33,563.6983555 --> 00:53:35,223.6983317
Rigpa, blue sky.

707
00:53:35,523.6983317 --> 00:53:36,673.6983078
Wow, I didn't know that.

708
00:53:37,298.6983627 --> 00:53:38,998.6984699
You should look into the Tibetan Buddhism.

709
00:53:38,998.6984699 --> 00:53:45,418.6985462
I think Tibetan Buddhism might be- There's gonna be some interesting correlations might be for you, actually, given the number of synchronicities that are in your life.

710
00:53:45,788.6984318 --> 00:53:46,88.6986225
Mm.

711
00:53:46,638.6988133 --> 00:53:50,938.6980503
I feel like your work very much resembles shamanic journeying.

712
00:53:51,483.6983221 --> 00:53:52,123.6983078
I think so too.

713
00:53:52,548.6986607 --> 00:53:53,58.6988896
Yeah.

714
00:53:53,208.6985081 --> 00:54:01,673.698737
It I'm not-- I, I don't think hypnotist really, really encapsulates it, but I haven't come up with some other name that people would understand, so.

715
00:54:02,493.6982601 --> 00:54:03,73.6981838
Blue sky.

716
00:54:03,463.6985272 --> 00:54:04,103.6983937
Blue sky.

717
00:54:04,143.6983555 --> 00:54:04,553.6982029
Wow.

718
00:54:05,203.6982983 --> 00:54:05,883.6981266
Yeah, that's amazing.

719
00:54:05,883.6981266 --> 00:54:07,3.6983746
That's f- that's amazing.

720
00:54:07,303.6983746 --> 00:54:09,597.0315363
Yeah, and that came from being in Santa Fe.

721
00:54:10,177.03146 --> 00:54:19,27.0318414
So after class, I would go up into the mountains and go for a hike on this trail called the Chimera Trail, which was about an hour.

722
00:54:19,577.0320322 --> 00:54:26,317.0308496
And I remember as I was going up, I was just so blown away by the quality of blue, because I think the atmosphere is thinner.

723
00:54:26,317.0308496 --> 00:54:28,47.0322992
It's, it's, it's higher than Denver.

724
00:54:28,837.0313074 --> 00:54:37,287.0311548
And the contrast with the, trees, with the green of the trees, and then the terracotta color of the trail just really captivated me.

725
00:54:37,707.0331384 --> 00:54:42,966.0330192
And there was one day where there was this, they called it a noetic healing, Mm-hmm.

726
00:54:43,97.0325281 --> 00:54:57,777.0322229
where they had all 40 of the students being led by one of the instructors in a hypnotic trance focusing on me, and sending, specific kinds of, of medically informed healing to me.

727
00:54:58,217.032993 --> 00:54:59,77.0329477
Wow.

728
00:54:59,227.0329858 --> 00:55:07,237.0313074
And in the class, I'm sitting in the midst of all these classmates, and I can feel this, like, throbbing inside of th-this just...

729
00:55:07,607.0302393 --> 00:55:12,607.0302393
I've never had the feeling before or since this, because it went on for like, uh, 45 minutes or something.

730
00:55:13,557.0348169 --> 00:55:18,987.0351221
And then after the class, I went on my normal hike, and I was, I felt like I was high.

731
00:55:19,500.3699813 --> 00:55:21,400.3638778
I was skipping, I was singing.

732
00:55:21,620.3650985 --> 00:55:25,500.3699813
I was, I was just spontaneously hugging trees, which I'd never really done before.

733
00:55:25,500.3699813 --> 00:55:27,410.366014
I just decided to start hugging trees.

734
00:55:27,810.3659758 --> 00:55:29,200.3669295
a little high, It was.

735
00:55:29,630.3672347 --> 00:55:30,330.3641829
It was a lot high.

736
00:55:30,330.3641829 --> 00:55:30,480.3657088
Yeah.

737
00:55:31,510.3644881 --> 00:55:32,930.3626571
It was unbelievable.

738
00:55:33,180.3626571 --> 00:55:33,550.3654036
Yeah.

739
00:55:33,970.3635726 --> 00:55:34,300.3654036
I know.

740
00:55:34,300.3654036 --> 00:55:35,150.3638778
It was incredible.

741
00:55:35,630.3666243 --> 00:55:41,230.3670058
And they were just, like, visualizing, like sending you, like, healing light, healing energy.

742
00:55:41,600.3659377 --> 00:55:50,730.3670058
And people can listen to, like, so many of your hypn- what do you call them? Like hypnotic trance tracks? Tracks.

743
00:55:50,870.3672347 --> 00:55:51,250.3673491
Tracks.

744
00:55:51,250.3673491 --> 00:55:52,890.3672156
On my YouTube channel? You're talking about my YouTube.

745
00:55:53,40.3683791 --> 00:55:54,120.3663955
Yeah, on YouTube.

746
00:55:54,220.3671393 --> 00:56:01,953.7006062
Yeah, I've got, like, 280 tracks on there and, and most of them are designed for people to, have some kind of positive experience.

747
00:56:01,953.7006062 --> 00:56:10,503.7009495
So it could be anything from a past life regression to sleeping better, to healing their inner child, to meeting their spirit guide, to recovering after surgery.

748
00:56:10,503.7009495 --> 00:56:12,683.7012547
Th- there's all kinds of different content there.

749
00:56:12,683.7012547 --> 00:56:16,193.7006634
Helping, helping a relationship, manifesting wealth and abundance.

750
00:56:16,663.7007969 --> 00:56:17,603.6994236
A lot of the tracks...

751
00:56:17,603.6994236 --> 00:56:21,917.0330621
Well, weight loss is actually the biggest, There was a lot of weight loss, Yeah, There is.

752
00:56:22,427.0351984 --> 00:56:22,717.0322992
There is.

753
00:56:23,17.0353509 --> 00:56:26,607.0316888
Well, and one of the weight loss tracks has three and a half million views.

754
00:56:26,890.3674111 --> 00:56:30,230.3675637
Another one has two million, another one has a million, another one has just under a million.

755
00:56:30,230.3675637 --> 00:56:39,40.368937
So it obviously resonated with people, and I think part of that is that when people think of hypnotherapy, they think of two things: stop smoking and lose weight.

756
00:56:39,580.3678594 --> 00:56:42,870.3669534
That's So that's one of the, that's one of the reasons why, I think.

757
00:56:42,940.3666482 --> 00:57:01,440.3666482
And a lot of my tracks are also subliminal, which sort of touches on something you mentioned earlier, which is we're being hypnotized all the time, which is absolutely true, and we never really know if there's subliminal material, in other words, sub-visual or sub-audible, in the media that we're consuming.

758
00:57:01,830.3660378 --> 00:57:05,560.3693948
And I understand, because I make a lot of this myself, how powerful it is.

759
00:57:05,560.3693948 --> 00:57:08,630.3690896
So the three and a half million one, it's subliminal.

760
00:57:08,920.3700051 --> 00:57:21,240.3696999
People are writing in thousands of comments about how they've lost all this weight, and they cannot consciously hear the words that I'm speaking because I've masked them with another sound, like waves or rain or music.

761
00:57:21,760.366343 --> 00:57:23,50.3672585
I know, it's crazy.

762
00:57:23,390.3682504 --> 00:57:23,900.3684792
Mm-hmm.

763
00:57:24,260.3671822 --> 00:57:25,560.3683267
That's amazing.

764
00:57:25,560.3683267 --> 00:57:26,690.3674874
I'm Yes, that one.

765
00:57:26,929.3677545 --> 00:57:32,760.3671822
and that is how powerful our subconscious mind That's incredible.

766
00:57:32,760.3671822 --> 00:57:37,10.3677545
Do you have to, like, have special DJ skills to make these tracks? Oh, no.

767
00:57:37,10.3677545 --> 00:57:37,620.367888
I'm, I'm...

768
00:57:37,620.367888 --> 00:57:40,800.3677163
Y- you saw me, like, try fumbling around trying to get onto this call.

769
00:57:41,260.3678832 --> 00:57:45,810.3679452
I feel like it takes, like, particular special No, it does not.

770
00:57:45,810.3679452 --> 00:58:04,460.3675637
And, and that's what's a little chilling when you realize the kind of power that entities with a lot of money would have, a- and a- lot of resources to create any number of things that would affect us on a frequency level s- you know, sub-visual, sub-audible, color.

771
00:58:04,460.3675637 --> 00:58:07,550.3679833
Like, and marketers have been using this kind of stuff for years.

772
00:58:07,880.36764 --> 00:58:08,880.36764
You know, the, the...

773
00:58:08,880.36764 --> 00:58:16,260.2884374
It's not a mystery why Wendy's, McDonald's, and Burger King all use the same color scheme It's not, it's not an accident.

774
00:58:16,330.288609 --> 00:58:22,40.2884087
It's done to influence the, the buyers, they call them users, subconsciously.

775
00:58:22,430.2885113 --> 00:58:30,920.2881036
Or that the cereal boxes, the, the eyes and all of the little, uh, fauns and leprechauns, they're all facing down- at the child that's looking up.

776
00:58:31,550.2885423 --> 00:58:32,80.2885137
Mm.

777
00:58:32,400.2885995 --> 00:58:36,160.288528
And so, like, these l- the cereal boxes are all talking to them, Mm-hmm.

778
00:58:36,290.2885232 --> 00:58:36,640.288547
Mm-hmm.

779
00:58:36,950.288609 --> 00:58:37,310.2885041
Yeah.

780
00:58:37,360.2884564 --> 00:58:37,510.2885518
yeah.

781
00:58:37,510.2885518 --> 00:58:41,940.2876077
These are-- the-- a lot of thought goes into this at the subconscious level, Yeah.

782
00:58:42,100.288466 --> 00:58:44,430.2888665
which is very much circles back to art, I think.

783
00:58:44,870.2884469 --> 00:58:56,500.2876077
You know, the, the greatest movie film directors are using subconscious subliminal communication all the time, and it's just breathtaking when you see it, when you, when you actually are able to observe this.

784
00:58:56,770.2880654 --> 00:58:59,890.2885518
Are you guys familiar with It's a Wonderful Life," Jimmy Stewart, Of course.

785
00:58:59,890.2885518 --> 00:59:00,270.2892098
Yeah, yeah.

786
00:59:00,320.2884993 --> 00:59:01,980.288466
Yeah, we're not, we're not young.

787
00:59:05,640.2885494 --> 00:59:12,780.2887139
In that movie, so he, he has to take over running the bank, which he doesn't wanna do, 'cause his father dies kind of unexpectedly.

788
00:59:13,530.2887139 --> 00:59:26,530.2877602
Well, the last scene with his father is at his parents' house, and they're sitting around, like, the dining room table, and his father is sitting in a chair that has these, these, uh, like it's a wingback chair.

789
00:59:27,60.2884469 --> 00:59:33,300.288218
But this particular wingback has these two features that come out on the side to make his father look like he has wings.

790
00:59:35,50.288218 --> 00:59:40,700.2897439
And right behind his father on the wall is a framed picture of all these butterflies.

791
00:59:41,734.288485 --> 00:59:42,434.2885327
Oh.

792
00:59:42,734.2885327 --> 00:59:45,780.2886948
It's a foreshadowing of how his father's going through the chrysalis.

793
00:59:46,224.288733 --> 00:59:46,934.2882943
Yeah.

794
00:59:47,530.2886948 --> 00:59:48,280.2886948
It's wild.

795
00:59:48,834.2888665 --> 00:59:48,924.2880654
Yeah.

796
00:59:48,924.2880654 --> 00:59:50,234.288485
Yeah, that's fantastic.

797
00:59:50,424.2880654 --> 00:59:51,590.2885232
Real love stuff like that.

798
00:59:51,894.2883325 --> 00:59:52,894.2883325
Yeah, real filmmaking.

799
00:59:52,894.2883325 --> 00:59:53,134.2881036
Beautiful.

800
00:59:53,134.2881036 --> 00:59:53,424.2880654
Yeah.

801
00:59:53,544.2889047 --> 00:59:54,64.2884087
Beautiful.

802
00:59:54,64.2884087 --> 01:00:10,277.6209028
Yeah, and it's interesting, like our minds like so much of our, our subconscious is in imagery and in metaphor, and I think that's what we forget is that if you wanna tap into your subconscious mind, like imagery and metaphor is so powerful.

803
01:00:10,347.6205977 --> 01:00:10,687.6207503
Mm-hmm.

804
01:00:10,783.621692 --> 01:00:21,277.6209028
Exactly, and that's the key, I think, to understanding dreams, 'cause so often before I really was on board with this, I'd wake up and go, "That was a weird dream," and then l- and then just walk away from it, Mm-hmm.

805
01:00:21,393.6221235 --> 01:00:27,143.6221235
than think about the dream in terms of metaphor and what was the message for me e-e-embedded in that metaphor.

806
01:00:27,678.621692 --> 01:00:27,998.6216849
Mm-hmm.

807
01:00:28,508.6216753 --> 01:00:28,898.6217802
Yeah.

808
01:00:29,198.6217325 --> 01:00:30,368.6215704
Yeah, so powerful.

809
01:00:30,688.6217421 --> 01:00:30,818.6218565
Mm.

810
01:00:31,58.6216276 --> 01:00:31,718.6214751
I love this.

811
01:00:31,718.6214751 --> 01:00:37,598.6217802
Well, I, I hope that a lot of people look you up and do some work with you 'cause it's amazing.

812
01:00:37,598.6217802 --> 01:00:39,888.6217421
I'm sure they'll be on your YouTube channel for sure.

813
01:00:39,888.6217421 --> 01:00:40,878.6215132
I know I will be.

814
01:00:40,878.6215132 --> 01:00:43,848.6227339
I've already listened to a few, so I love them.

815
01:00:43,878.6215132 --> 01:00:44,58.6218184
Yeah.

816
01:00:44,168.6224287 --> 01:00:45,648.621971
We'd love to have you back on sometime.

817
01:00:46,103.6219853 --> 01:00:46,403.6219853
Sure.

818
01:00:46,403.6219853 --> 01:00:47,533.6219805
Yeah, I'd love to come back on.

819
01:00:47,583.6219805 --> 01:00:49,558.622381
Thank you so much for Oh, you're welcome.

820
01:00:49,848.6223429 --> 01:00:50,198.6222475
You're welcome.

821
01:00:50,198.6222475 --> 01:00:51,238.6222094
Thanks for the invitation.

822
01:00:51,860.955085 --> 01:01:09,770.954085
If you're feeling called into this deeper work, the type of work that really honors not just your physical body, but your energetic being, your emotional and spiritual dimensions, then there's still time to come and find me in Faro, Portugal, July 8th to the 12th.

823
01:01:10,300.956085 --> 01:01:29,550.955085
Over these five days, we're gonna explore what happens when the work of genius frequency, which is connecting to your body, your breath, your energetic field, meets yoga, more specifically the Mysore practice, as well as tools of meditation, pranayama, and chanting.

824
01:01:30,230.954085 --> 01:01:49,500.9520849
We will be looking at how to reconnect all of these ancient techniques and tools into our breath, our body, and our energetic field, and what happens, the true transformation that happens when you devote five days to this very deep, deep, deep work.

825
01:01:50,40.9550849 --> 01:01:56,717.6187516
How you can listen more intimately to the intelligence that's already within you.

826
01:01:56,717.6197516 --> 01:02:04,77.6177516
It's already trying, attempting so very hard to guide you and to speak to you.

827
01:02:04,387.6177516 --> 01:02:19,177.6237516
So if your heart is saying yes, then I would love to welcome you July 8th to the 12th to this beautiful, beautiful five-day journey with me in Faro, Portugal.

828
01:02:19,487.6157516 --> 01:02:22,277.6207516
You'll find all the details inside the show notes.

829
01:02:22,327.6197516 --> 01:02:25,397.6177516
Let's go That's it.

830
01:02:25,457.6177516 --> 01:02:29,87.6177516
We've concluded another episode of the Finding Harmony podcast.

831
01:02:29,567.6177516 --> 01:02:36,137.6177516
I just wanna thank you so much for doing the work that changes the world, starting with yourself.

832
01:02:36,437.6177516 --> 01:02:39,827.6177516
It truly does make a huge difference.

833
01:02:40,637.6177516 --> 01:02:47,867.6177516
Please make sure you have your automatic downloads turned on wherever you listen, so you don't miss any of the upcoming episodes.

834
01:02:48,2.6177516 --> 01:02:51,452.6177516
I have so much more magic I can't wait to share with you.

835
01:02:52,322.6177516 --> 01:03:07,592.6177516
Lastly, if you're on Instagram, I love connecting and hearing from you, so come on over and say hello at Finding Harmony podcast, and you can also come say hello to me personally at Harmony Slater official.

836
01:03:07,982.6177516 --> 01:03:09,842.6177516
Thank you again for being here.

837
01:03:10,22.6177516 --> 01:03:14,132.6177516
I cannot wait to share more with you in our next episode.