91. The Truth About Summer Sunscreen: An Ayurvedic Approach to Sun Care [VIDEO]

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I'm here with a topic for you, sunscreen.

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It's summer.

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Let's talk about what kind of sunscreens to use or not use and a few other things that I practice regularly to protect myself around sun exposure.

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Let's do this.

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So I think the first thing that I would like to say about sunscreen, is that we should use less of it.

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We should use less sunscreen I know maybe that's not what you wanna hear, right? And I am gonna talk about specific sunscreen products that I've tried and what's working.

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let's talk about the ingredients in sunscreen, chemical sunscreen versus the mineral sunscreens.

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but first and foremost, what I've arrived at is using less sunscreen is the best option.

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As you know, in Ayurveda we do a lot of practices around the skin, the skin being the largest organ of your body, also being a sensory organ, and an organ that has its own kind of digestion.

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So the idea is that we actually do, in Ayurveda it's been practiced for thousands of years to use medicated oils, um, that the, the skin has an ability to sort of digest the, uh, oils and the herbs in the oils, and then those herbs then are able to have specific effects on the body.

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Like we might use, cooling herbs f- for example, for a pitta type to balance the heat in the body.

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And you can absolutely tell.

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You can absolutely tell.

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You know, you could do an experiment and coat your body in sesame oil and sit there for 20 minutes, and then coat your body in coconut oil and sit there for 20 minutes, and I promise you, you will be able to tell a difference, right? And your skin is affected by and is reacting to the things that we put on it, especially when it's a global thing, when that substance is all over your body.

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So I don't really subscribe to an idea that, you know, that things that are absorbed by our skin aren't potentially getting into our body at a deeper level just because that is such a big part of the traditional medicine that I study and practice.

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Therefore, sunscreen is one of those global things that we put all over our bodies, right? So for many years I had the practice of, actually oiling the body with coconut oil before applying sunscreen 'cause I felt like it would create a barrier.

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And I, I do take care not to let my skin get dry in the summer.

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I, I take care any time of year not to let my skin get dry because, as you've probably noticed on this podcast previously, the aging process is namely characterized by the dry quality.

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And so the skin being the largest organ in the body, the one that is exposed to the air, to stimulation, and to the outside 24/7, protecting it, bolstering it, offering it a protective layer of oil is a hugely important practice in Ayurveda.

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And so I'm doing that regularly kind of any time of year, and I will gravitate more towards a lighter cooling oil in the summer like coconut.

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So I'm doing coconut oil.

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That's my after sun lotion, right? is the coconut oil.

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Unless it's super humid and if- If you're in a very humid environment and y- you kind of have an aversion to oil, which can happen in, in, you know, like a coastal summertime environment, then you could use, like aloe gel, a pure aloe gel on the body.

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And aloe also has a bit of a, a protective and slippery component to it.

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So oil or aloe, and sometimes I actually mix the two together.

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So I'm looking for, like, the right viscosity for my body in, you know, today's weather.

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As I've gotten older, I don't really need to cut the oil with the aloe anymore.

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I'm just kind of caring for the skin with oil, um, coconut oil being much lighter than the oils that I'll use in the winter, like sesame, jojoba.

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So I can kinda get away with a lighter oil, and so I'll use that after sun, and I'll use that before sun, right? But let's say at every 24 hours or so, sometimes every other day, right, if I'm being lazy, I will, uh, oil the body with coconut oil and, you know, use it like I'd use a moisturizer.

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And so if I know I'm going to the beach tomorrow, 'cause my, mainly my sun exposure happens with bike riding, uh, paddle boarding, and going to the beach, and these are all things that I do almost every day all summer long.

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So this is why sunscreen is, kind of unavoidable in, in my life.

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So I've done as many things as I can to sort of bolster the skin and also to protect myself from the sun, but there are many, places where I need sunscreen.

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So if I know I'm gonna have sun exposure tomorrow, then today I'm gonna do an oil, I'm gonna oil the skin, right? So that I know that if I do have to apply sunscreen products to my body, that the skin's, it's not like the skin's, like, sitting there, like, dry, "Feed me, feed me," and then I put sunscreen on it, right? And it's absorbing un- until kind of all the dry quality there.

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So think about that, right? One thing to think about is sort of, like, the state of your skin in the summertime overall, which sun exposure, as you probably noticed, is also drying.

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And so you really wanna oil, oil, oil the body in the summertime.

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Any time you notice things are dry, apply the oil.

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And you may also cut it with aloe gel and kind of do, like, a half and half-sie.

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You know, just mix it up right in the palms of my hands, and then apply, and then spooge a little more, rub it together, mix it up, and then apply.

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Um, and that's a great trick for you to figure out how to find the right, right amount of oil, right amount of moisture, depending on how your climate is at that time.

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So that's super important.

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That's number one, right, is keep your skin healthy.

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Keep your skin moisturized all summer long.

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And oil itself is gonna give you an SPF of about four, right? So- There's that.

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You know, that sometimes when I, I catch myself out in the sun and I, I don't have sunscreen, forgot it, I'm like, "Oh, at least I ha- you know, at least I oiled," right? So there is some amount of sun protection that you get naturally.

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I do have melanoma in my family, and I do also get sun damage, like spotting on my skin very easily, and this is part- it's my vanity is a big part of why.

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That's the main reason that I use sunscreen is I don't want the spots, right? And so I notice the effects of sun on my skin, and I've gotten a lot of sun in my life, especially s- like tropical sun in, in parts of India.

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So I, carry around a stick, a sunscreen stick in my bag, for my hands, for the backs of my hands.

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I'm actually on the market looking for a pair of very, very light gloves that I can use for driving and biking.

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So please hit me with an email or a DM on Instagram, or you can comment on your podcast platform if you know where I can find those gloves, because I would wear them.

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I would definitely wear, like, a light, kind of maybe translucent glove on my bicycle a- and in my car driving, 'cause I think the biggest, spot is my wrists and my hands that are getting the sun all the time.

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So step number one is to keep covered, and I really kind of fought against that for a long time.

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I loved paddleboarding just in a bathing suit.

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I love the feeling of the sun, you know, on my skin.

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I know some of you are going, "Yeah, Kate, I know.

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I'm with you."

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And that's been my, uh, my thing for a long time is just really loving the feeling and the warmth and that sort of sparkly feeling, you know, that you get when the sun is on your skin.

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But But I don't like the spots so, a- and I don't like the dryness either, you know, the drying effect of the sun.

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So nowadays, um, thing number one, you know, is I've got a sun shirt.

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I've got two, right? One for kind of the beach, one for the bicycle.

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So the bicycle one's got the hood, and it's got the finger, the thumb hole, right? So it actually covers, like, all the way to the middle knuckles on my fingers.

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So I, wear that religiously when I bike, no matter how hot it is.

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I've got the hood up, uh, and I've got my helmet on over the hood, and I've got a hat, a trucker hat with a brim, right? And that's my biking outfit, for sure.

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A- a- you know, I'll wear, yoga pants, leggings kind of, um, and that's, that's how I'm getting around.

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And so if I'm going somewhere, I actually bring, a change of clothing so that I can take all the sweaty, long things off when I get there.

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But I'm not tanning while I'm on my bicycle, right? So for those of you who do kind of the outdoor sports, I think having, one of those light sun shirts and keeping covered is a fantastic, a fantastic idea.

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So I do that.

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You know, I've got the trucker hat, but a trucker hat really only covers, like, your forehead, you know, and your nose, so, it does not protect your cheeks.

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It does not protect the throat, you know, around the ears.

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So having a huge sun hat is important.

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So I have one with the little strap that goes under the chin so it doesn't blow off in the wind, right? And I paddleboard with that on.

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I wear that religiously when I'm at the beach, except if I'm swimming, right? And that's gonna keep the head covered, and that's one of the things that Ayurveda is, very big on, is keeping the head cool and keeping the head out of the sun, covered from the sun.

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Because there's so much, neurological activity happening in the brain, and also the, attentiveness of your eyes, your ears, your sense of smell, taste, all that stuff is happening in your head.

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So your head's a hot spot, and we wanna keep it cool.

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Things that can result from overheating of the head involve inflammation of the eye, hair fall, thinning of the hair, hair loss, and we don't want any of that, right? So get a big hat, and wear that thing, right? And if it's windy, then you gotta tie the thing, Get one that has the, the thing under your throat So that was a big move that I made.

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Probably in my 40s I started wearing like...

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I was a trucker hat girl always, but, I can't sit in the sun without a hat.

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Like, it'll be like, "Oh my God, I have to go home," because I don't...

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That feeling of my head cooking doesn't work for me at all, I think 'cause I am a pitta primary constitution, so I feel it.

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So big hat in the sun, you know, sun shirt, and that way, like, it's like two-thirds of my body's covered.

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That way my back, my stomach, all that's covered by the shirt, and the hood's protecting.

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You know, one of the places that I think we don't notice, especially those who are driving in the car a lot, is, like, the side of your neck, right? And that's where, I like having a shirt that goes up over my head, because it'll shade the sides of the neck.

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Those are places I'm starting to notice sun damage that, surprised me.

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I was like, "Oops, I've been totally missing that," right? Just thinking about my face.

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And so when I drive, that is a time that I will, um, cover.

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I'll cover that whole kinda, um, the side that the sun's on, right? And I'll, I'll...

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I won't...

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If I'm taking a road trip, you know, I do a lot of trips where I have to drive, you know, three or four hours, I won't, um, wear a tank top, and I won't wear something that's got, like, a low neck, right? I'm choosing my clothes for the drive, right? I'll wear my sun shirt for the drive b- because I'd rather do that, you know, than have to wear sunscreen or, You know, I had a friend who had a family member who had a melanoma on her arm, her driving, the shoulder of her driving side, right? The side that's always to the window, the left side.

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and that, that's actually what got me thinking about it.

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I was like, "Oh my gosh, that's right."

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Like, you get so much sun when you're driving, you know? And I'm like i- you know, is there sunscreen or UV protection in the windows of the car? Like, I, I guess I always assumed so, but, I'm not taking any chances now, right? So I'm, I'm wearing my sun shirt or choosing clothes with coverage for driving as well as biking, right? And, the big hat, you know, all of that stuff is, you know, I'll wear socks, you know, that kinda come up my calf a little bit.

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So, you know, maybe it's not, like, the most glamorous thing, right? But w- I'm thinking longevity.

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It's, it's fine.

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And then I do, you know, I do like to, uh, tan.

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I don't have the kinda skin where I burn, burn, burn, luckily.

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So I do like to tan, you know, and I do like to be...

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I'm not, I'm sorry, guys, but I'm not gonna wear leggings and a shirt on the beach and in the water.

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Although I know there are some of you who do and some of you who have to, and that's, I would say, the number one way to avoid undue sun exposure is just to wear the clothes on the beach, right? But I am still in the zone where, when I'm kind of on the beach, I'll spend at least half the time that I'm on the beach just in a bathing suit, right? And that's where the sunscreen comes in.

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It's for my love of being in the water.

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and if I'm gonna take a walk on the beach, sure, I'll wear a shirt, right? But I love being in the water.

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I love lying in the hot sand, you know, being in the sun, all of that.

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Yes, we bring an umbrella.

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We bring an umbrella to the beach, but oftentimes I'm cold.

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This is another thing for me about the sun i- is that I run cold, and so being in the sun feeling warm, except my head, is a great feeling for me.

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Like, I just love it, you know? So I'm gonna apply sunscreen and I'm gonna, uh, hang out in the sun, you know, sometimes.

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And so I've done everything that I could, you know, oiling my skin, keeping the skin moisturized, sort of, you know, leading up to the event.

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And if I'm gonna paddleboard, if I'm out on the water or I'm boating or something like that, I'm absolutely wearing my sun shirt.

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I got the hood up.

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I got the dorky hat on.

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You know, I got the hands covered, the whole thing.

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My legs, you know, I'm not always wearing pants, and so those are one of the spots where the sunscreen comes in We spend so much time thinking about wellness, what we eat, how we sleep, how we manage stress, but oral health is an important part of this bigger picture.

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One balm, every dry spot, face, hands, lips, cuticles, elbows, knees.

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You can find it at banyanbotanicals.com/kate,

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and I'll link it in the show notes.

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Um, my face, yes, I use sunscreen, pretty regularly when it's a sunny day.

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So this is the thing, right, is, where I live, there are a lot of days where it's not sunny.

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And so I, don't love having product on my face.

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I use natural oils on my face.

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You know, rose water, uh, face oils.

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I think I've talked about them on this podcast before.

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So, you know, I spritz, I spritz my face and I, I massage it with oil, the, on the regular, you know, twice a day, and I'm happy with that.

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I don't really wanna put anything else.

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I don't wear any kind of, like, tinted coverage type thing on my face because I don't like the way it feels, you know? So I love just having my face just be my, my face with some oil on it.

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So I'm looking at the weather most days to see if it's gonna be sunny, 'cause if it's gonna be sunny, I know I'm gonna take a walk at some point and be out in it at some point.

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So either I'm gonna wear the sunscreen or I'm gonna get the big hat out for a walk or a sit on the porch or whatever.

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But I would say probably more than half the time I end up putting sunscreen on my face before the, day because I just don't wanna get kinda caught out there, you know, whether I'm driving or taking a walk or, or even, like, you know, I'm at a cafe meeting a friend, but we end up at a table in the sun, right? Which in, in my part of the world, when you have the opportunity to sit outside in the sun and, like, drink your tea, you're so happy to do that.

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And so that's where I'll, need to use something on the face.

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And yes, I use different product on the face than on the rest of the body usually One of the things that I notice that starts to happen in the summertime is, when I'm using sunscreen on my face, no matter what kind it is, I start to get zits.

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Nothing crazy, just, like, little, the beginnings of zits, right? And then I'll be like, "Oh, geez, I need, like, a break," you know? My skin needs a day without any sunscreen on it.

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And I might just, like, you know, not go to the beach that day, right? Or take a walk and wear my huge hat, but, like, take a day off from it.

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Because Something's going on there, right? That it's always been that way, that no matter what, if I'm using products on my face, uh, my face will start to get a little bit irritated.

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but I- I've worked on this, you know, getting in the habit of wearing sunscreen on my face and my throat, you know, the neck area, behind the ears, that sort of thing.

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So I do have a tinted, I have a tinted one that I use.

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it's made by a brand called Counter, which we've talked about on this podcast before.

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They have a super high standard for, being clean in the makeup and skincare industry.

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So I have all of their sunscreen.

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I have their stick, I have, um, their mineral sunscreen, and I have their face stuff.

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It's all mineral.

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Uh, and that's, I would say, one of my, one of my favorites, um, especially for the face.

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It's...

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So it's more like a makeup product in my book than just a sunscreen.

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So I, it's not what I use when I go to the beach, but that's what I use, like, on a daily basis.

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When I'm going to the beach, I'm gonna be, like, using probably, like, the zinc stick, which, uh, I have the c- one from Counter.

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So let's take a moment here to talk about the two kinds of sunscreen that are available, chemical sunscreen and mineral sunscreen.

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I made the switch about two years ago to mineral sunscreen.

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I'm not sure I realized how the chemical sunscreens work, that your body actually i- is absorbing the chemicals in the sunscreen.

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Your skin is absorbing that.

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And so then when the UV rays kind of penetrate the top layer of your skin, the chemicals are kind of filtering the molecules, right? Absorbing the UV energy, and then they release the UV energy as heat.

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It's kind of being reflected or, let's say, like, transmuted by the chemicals that are in the sunscreen that have and had to penetrate into your skin in order to work.

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Now, I don't like that.

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I don't like a chemical that is supposed to be penetrating and causing chemical changes in my skin layer.

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So when I, I really sat down and, like, read about that and looked into that, I was like, um, no.

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Right? And the other thing about the chemical sunscreens is they're generally not reef-safe, right? So reef-safe is a way of saying that the sunscreen that you're wearing isn't going to damage the marine environment where you're swimming.

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So some of you might be pool people, right, where it's less of an issue, but I'm swimming in rivers, lakes, and oceans, and I, when I wear the chemical sunscreens, even if they're the waterproof kind, I get in the water and I can see the kinda oil slick around my body within a few minutes, and it's like, there goes all those chemicals into the watershed, and I feel horrible about that.

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Um, so I won't buy anything that doesn't say reef-safe on it, and m- the chemical sunscreens are way less likely to be reef-safe than the mineral sunscreens.

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But I'm looking for, that first and foremost, is that the sunscreen, any sunscreen I buy is, is safe for the marine environment, and then also that it's kind of safe for me, safe for my skin.

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So I've really, sworn off chemical sunscreens and haven't used them for the last two years.

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They're cheaper, right? One of the things about sunscreen is it's really expensive, you know? So I don't love to come on here and tell you about all these expensive sunscreens and say that, you know, we should only use those.

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So that's where wearing the clothing is a lot less expensive and has also less of a cost on the marine environment and the health of your skin.

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So there's a lot to be said for wearing the clothes, and I use a lot less sunscreen now because I'm wearing the sun shirt and the big hat, right? That being said, I am still using sunscreen, so I'm only using mineral sunscreens.

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But even within the mineral sunscreen, there's been a little hubbub about the nano zinc.

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So it's zinc and titanium dioxide that are in most of the mineral sunscreens, zinc being the main kind of ingredient.

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That's the one that makes you look like a ghost, right, and turns you white, and that's kind of how it works.

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The zinc is actually reflecting the rays of the sun.

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I'd mu- I'd much rather have it be reflected off me, you know, by a natural particle than have this chemical reaction going on in my skin, right? And so I, I was like, "Oh, well, I look like a ghost."

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So, you know, I've got the...

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You know, remember the lifeguards, who used to have that, the white zinc stick, you know, that they'd put under the eyes or on their lips.

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So okay, I'm, I'm one of them now, right? I'm looking like a ghost.

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And the mineral sunscreen, it works, and I swim with it on, and it's still fine.

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I don't find that I need to reapply.

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Um, some of you might, however.

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But it's, it, it works, right? So if I use a zinc, sunscreen on my body and I'm in the sun all day long, so- like sometimes I won't even be able to tell.

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Like I won't even really have a tan, from being out all day, right? And so they work.

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The mineral sunscreens really work.

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The nano zinc was, so- they were kind of making the particles of zinc smaller, breaking them up in order to, so you don't look like a ghost.

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But it's questionable at this time whether the nano zinc is, safe for the skin and safe for marine environments.

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So now you wanna look for, brands that say non-nano zinc, right? And it's pretty common, uh, I think nowadays you're gonna find no- most, most of the products that, that I'm talking about or that you might be looking at are probably gonna say non-nano on them.

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So if we're using less of it, that's gonna help us save money, and I've sort of decided it's kind of like organic coffee, right? It's a lot more expensive, but it's like one of those things that where it's really important that your coffee be organic because the pesticides used on coffee do have an affinity for the endocrine organs.

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So like that's a big deal, and that's one of the things that, they're saying about some of the chemicals in the sunscreens is it's, it potentially could be endocrine disruptors.

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So if something's messing with your endocrine system, that's not okay, right? And that's, that's another great reason not to use those kinds of sunscreens, the chemical ones.

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So it's one of those places like coffee where I will spend...

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I'm biting the bullet and I'm spending more money, on sunscreen, and I'm using it more sparingly, right? Because I'm keeping my body covered with clothes and hats and other things.

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So as you, you've probably heard maybe that, you know, Ayurveda recommends, avoiding sun exposure during the pitta time of day, especially sun on the head, and that's from 10:00 to 2:00, which interestingly is what you will also hear, right? About, like, people who burn easily or people who are worried about, skin cancers is avoid sun from 10:00 to 2:00, right? So of course, yes, going, going out and doing your, beachy things, your outdoor exercises earlier or later in the day is one of the options.

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I don't necessarily follow that.

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I could, I could, for sure, but I'm mostly just, like, doing my day, and whatever time it is that I can get there, I'm gonna get there, right? And I do find the sun, you know, even before 10:00, i- if I'm on my bicycle, like, I still need to, to keep covered, for sure.

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So while we love the sun, using these mineral sunscreens that reflect can be, um, a very helpful, very helpful thing.

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I think it's a great thing to have in your bag.

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So as I said, I've got a stick, and I've got a, a lotion.

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I do avoid the sprays.

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When you're using sunscreen sprays, there is a potential for inhaling, and also I think you lose a lot, and I really don't wanna be throwing away those containers at all, right? So I have one that it was, uh...

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Somebody gave it to me, a counter brand, spray mineral sunscreen, and so I actually cup my hand around the sprayer and spray it right in there so that I'm not, it's not going out into the air, and I'm not wasting it or getting it up my nose.

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So I would say down with the spray sunscreens.

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Lotions and sticks only.

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I love the sticks for travel.

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I love them for sticking them in all of my bags, purses, and the console of my car, so there's a stick everywhere, right? And that's the kind of thing I might...

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I'll just put in spots that are, like, suddenly exposed or if I start to feel like I'm burning, and I don't care if it's, like, a white streak at all, right? but I did start to burn out a little bit on looking like a ghost, honestly, and so In the last year or so, I've really been investigating around different brands of mineral sunscreens.

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I do find that the counter brand is a little less white, because what I was using before was, baby sunscreen brands.

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I would use, uh, Badger.

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Badger is a great brand.

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It's made with coconut oil.

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And it's a good one, but it's, um, it's pretty.

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ghostly cast, right? Um, but there's...

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Like, if I have places where there's scars or pre- moles and things like that, I'm, I'm gonna use a baby sunscreen that's just gonna turn that white, right? And I used to make my own sunscreen, by adding zinc oxide diaper cream to, lotion.

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And, and I would use that.

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And yes, it would, you know, turn me, white, but that's an option.

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If you wanna go for a mineral sunscreen and, you wanna spend less money, look for just a pure zinc oxide, It was Burt's Bees diaper cream was the one that, that used to have, just the zinc oxide in it.

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So that's an option.

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You could certainly make your own.

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That's what it's doing, the zinc.

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So I do like Badger.

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It's a great brand.

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You know, it's kinda no fuss, as well.

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Other brands, I'm gonna tell you about one that I found.

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They sent me a sample of their product last year, and it's tallow based.

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because what you'll notice with the mineral sunscreens, it's incredibly drying.

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That was one of the things last year when I was using only mineral sunscreen, is that, uh, it was incredibly drying.

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By the end of a long day, I would just be, wow, I would just be so dried out, and it's really hard to remove as well.

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and so while a lot of, the brands, um, the reef safe brands like, like Badger are gonna use coconut oil or olive oil as the base, the tallow, which is a beef product, so this is not a vegan or a vegetarian product.

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But what I like about this company, is that they are using tallow that's actually a byproduct of the food industry from grass-fed cows, in Australia.

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'Cause I did, the first thing I asked when they a- um, offered me the product was where do you get that tallow, right? but the fact that it is a byproduct, uh, something that would actually just be thrown away, that makes me feel a lot better about using a tallow based product.

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And tallow is, it is of nature, right? It's natural, and it opposes the dry quality actually better than anything else.

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So at the top of my sunscreen list right now is that company Sky Sol.

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Uh, so I did reach out to them for a discount code, for you.

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And you can, y- it's easy to find.

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Um, they have, you know, the sport kind and the regular kind.

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It's face and body.

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I'm gonna tell you I've used it on my face and not had any adverse reactions to it.

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Um, didn't, uh, find that I was getting the zits, although if I'm putting it on every day, day after day, something's gonna happen probably, right? But I felt pretty happy actually with using it on my face.

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It's not as drying, so I feel like because that tallow is so rich and so moisturizing that that has, really been awesome.

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That's really been awesome for me.

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It's part of why I think I like, the product so much So it's, less ghostly, and I think again it's because the moisture in the tallow.

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So it's less ghostly than some of the other brands, uh, which is good news for those of us who are, only going to use that kind of sunscreen.

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So, that's my favorite, and I think there's other brands kind of just coming around that are using tallow.

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But please, if you're gonna use a tallow based brand, m- make sure you know more about where it comes from.

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Another great ingredient that's in there that you could look for in a sunscreen is jojoba oil.

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Jojoba oil's not cheap, but it acts a little more like a wax than an oil, so it has a real staying power.

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Um, so when I am really dry, there's certain points along the winter where I'll get really dry, and I'll go f- straight for jojoba oil, and it will really solve that problem.

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So we're opposing the drying nature of the zinc oxide with, with that, as well as beeswax.

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So Badger as well as Sky Sol, they both use beeswax.

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There's another brand called Blue Lizard.

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They make kind of a sensitive, m- mineral sunscreen.

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That one, again, I, I do find it's a little thick.

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I do find it's a little white, but hey, it totally works, especially for our sporty types who are gonna be, like, out there, doing it, right? So you can look, you can, uh...

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You know, I, I hope to inspire you with today's episode to move towards mineral sunscreen if you haven't already.

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And so whatever product you're using on your face, if it's, like, a tinted makeup-type product, mineral sunscreens look and work great on your face.

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There's no reason to use the chemical stuff on your face from sort of a cosmetic, point of view.

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And what we want to look for, right, uh, those hormone-disrupting chemicals, octylbenzone, oc- octinoxate, right? You're actually gonna see brands saying, "We don't contain those," right? But I'm just gonna...

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Anything that isn't mineral right off the bat, I'm just gonna kinda, like, not even, not even look at that.

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I'm looking for the, reef safe, a kind of a little, like, medallion on there that says reef safe, and those are...

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I would say those are my main things.

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And then I'm looking at the other ingredients in the product.

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You know, do I see beeswax? Do I see, olive oil or coconut oil, right? There should be oil in the product, right? So that way it's not, other kind of weird texturizers and chemically based products that are making it lotion-like, right? So we have to kinda eat the fact that it does...

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maybe isn't gonna smell the way you want it to, and it's gonna, like, maybe like, leave that white cast on the skin and maybe feel a little bit thick.

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But I'm balancing, you know, what do I wanna do here? Do I wanna wear clothes, or do I wanna put this stuff all over my body? So there's days where I'm like, "It's a sunscreen day.

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We're going for it," right? Before I put my bathing suit on, I do the whole body with the mineral sunscreen, and then I put my bathing suit on, and then I go.

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and I find once is enough, and then maybe if there's a spot that's, like, really getting cooked, you know, on one shoulder or whatever, I'll, I'll put the stick on it.

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And so I bring the stick with me, and I put the stick, on my lips.

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I, I don't mind putting the, the tallow-based lip stuff and the zinc and all that, on my lips.

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You know, it's not my favorite thing, but I feel like, okay, I have to do that.

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If I'm wearing my huge hat, then I'm not worried about it, right? But the, you know, the perfect sunscreen actually doesn't exist, so that's that's why hats and shirts are great here.

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and hey, if you find some other brands that have a really fabulous group of ingredients, you know, the less ingredients the better.

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That's the thing about some of these brands, it's like five or six ingredients in it, and they're all things, words that you recognize, right? That's what we're looking for.

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If it's not that, if there's fragrance in it, right, then it's not a great thing to be putting all over your entire body, keeping in mind the, the importance in, in the Ayurvedic view of the, the skin and the health of the skin.

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So let me know if you find something awesome, right? Give me a comment on the pod or an email, hello@ayurvedicliving.institute,

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or you can send me a DM on Instagram, kateodonnell.ayurveda.

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And if you're gonna go for the brand we talked about today, I'm gonna put a link in the show notes.

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And yeah, let me know.

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Let me know what's happening.

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I hope you enjoy that recreational time outdoors, and do it safe and do it in a way that protects our marine environments.

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Thank you so much for being here with me today, and I will see you next time on Everyday Ayurveda with Kate.

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