90. Your Daily Oral Care Routine, Backed by Ayurveda and Naturopathy [Video]

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and enjoy 15% off your first purchase Welcome, pod pal, to today's episode on natural oral care with a naturopathic doctor, Michael Murray.

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You can find this amazing person on Instagram at dr.michaelmurray,

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M-U-R-R-A-Y.

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He's one of those people, spending this last hour with him kind of made me feel like I'll have what he's having.

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This is a super positive person, w- good vibes all around, and I, I love that, when someone's medicine is obviously working for them.

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So what caught my interest, I think it, it was I was following Dr.

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Michael Murray on Instagram and, and he's talking about, oral care, which is something you guys have been asking me about you know, the tongue scraping, the oil pulling, the flossing, the brushing.

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What do we need to do? When do we do it? What kind of products should we be using for this? this has been on my radar to wanna talk about oral care, and I heard Dr.

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Murray talking about leaky gum.

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Not leaky gut, but leaky gum, and gums have been a really important part of my health personally for the last couple years.

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My dentist was, telling me we were, we were going to need a referral to a periodontist for recession of the gums.

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I got on board with the oil pulling practice, and six months later, my dentist was like, "Nope, you're good," and the recession has stopped.

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I continue to use oil pulling, not every day, probably three or four days a week for about 10 minutes.

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So a fascinating conversation today with Dr.

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Murray about sort of how these practices work.

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He's kind of doing a ton of research.

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he's written over 40 books on natural approaches to health and healing with a cumulative sales of over 6 million copies, including a book that I didn't realize I actually own until I met Dr.

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Murray today, a textbook of natural medicine, The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.

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I do own those books.

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He's been instrumental in bringing many safe and effective natural products to North America in- including standardized botanical extracts of things like ginkgo biloba and St.

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John's wort.

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So as a person who's been recognized as the voice of natural medicine and also one of the 30 people who shaped the natural product industry, I love hearing from someone who's been in this line of work for over 40 years is obviously walking the talk, and is going to explain to us today the importance of oral care and how the microbiome in the mouth affects our digestion, and the bloodstream, inflammation in general, and the health of your body at large.

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So you want to listen to this episode because he and I are going to inspire you to use natural oral care products and get a solid routine going on.

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Once you hear this episode, you're gonna be thinking, "Yep, I need to do that."

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So stick around.

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Don't go anywhere.

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We're gonna hear from Dr.

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Murray right after this.

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All right, Dr.

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Michael Murray, welcome to the podcast.

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Thanks for being here.

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Oh, my pleasure.

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So this season we've been having, um...

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You know, I'm an Ayurvedic practitioner.

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We've been having practitioners from different holistic modalities on the show.

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So we've had Chinese medicine practitioners, some functional medicine practitioners, nutritionists.

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So you're our first naturopathic doctor.

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So can you start out by just telling us what is naturopathic medicine? How is that different than conventional medicine? Yes, naturopathic medicine is based on, several, key, philosophical points, one of which is the healing power of nature, and eliminate any obstacles to health and healing, utilizing natural approaches to health, diet, attitude, lifestyle modification, and dietary supplements, herbal medicine.

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And we're kind of an umbrella in the holistic community.

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Uh, many naturopaths choose to, focus on a particular modality.

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That can include Ayurvedic medicine.

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It can include homeopathy, Chinese medicine and acupuncture, nutrition, herbal medicine, physical medicines, uh, adjustments and massage, and all of those things.

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It's just been a great path for me, and, I think it, really, encompasses the right approach to helping people achieve health.

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I, I was reading your, your book, The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, the other night, which is...

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I'll point our listeners towards, 'cause to...

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I feel like you did a great introduction to naturopathic medicine.

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And you were talking about sort of the difference between approaching, like, treating the symptoms versus finding out what the cause is and working from that place, which seems like a big difference to me from the medicine a lot of people have available to them.

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Correct.

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And, I, I think that, in the future when they look back at the last 100 years of medicine, they'll really, view it as kind of a, wrong w- way to, uh, address health and healing.

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Uh, we- we're learning more and more that many of the drugs they simply block the symptoms and at the same time promote the progression of the disease process.

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And one of the great examples of that is nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs in the treatment of osteoarthritis.

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Osteoarthritis, the most common form of arthritis, is a degenerative condition where our body starts breaking down, our, cartilage starts breaking down, and this leads to inflammation and pain and limited function of that joint.

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The drug approach is to, uh, take a, a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug like Advil or ibuprofen or Celebrex.

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And what we know about these drugs is they, can reduce inflammation, but what people don't know is that- These drugs can also lead to impaired cartilage formation, so they actually are adding fuel to the fire.

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And when you look at, the consequence of being on these drugs for long-term, that may explain why we're seeing this dramatic increase in joint replacement surgeries in people that use these, drugs.

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arthritis exists, globally, but, uh, it's not as big of a problem in most other, parts of the world.

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It's a big problem in, uh, the US because people are really relying too heavily on these drugs, and they have some side effects.

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And I, I wrote a book, What the Drug Companies Won't Tell You and Your Doctor Doesn't Know, and I highlighted every major class of drug, and I showed that, they're actually creating more problems than helping in many situations.

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And, that's just not the path to living a long, healthy, and vibrant life.

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I, I completely agree.

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And I see you talking a lot about supplementation, herbal medicines, and also food, which is...

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That's been my specialty in Ayurveda, talking about food and culinary skills.

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So it...

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What you're just describing of sort of the problematic nature of some of the pharmaceuticals we're using to treat a lot of the, the diseases we're seeing, did you see this early on? Like, did you come to medicine being naturopathic, or did you kind of start studying medicine and, like, switch over at some point? yeah, my path is, very complex.

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I think all of us, feel the sense of guidance at some point in our life, and I felt it, uh, most of my life.

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And, I was really blessed to, to find this medicine.

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And, what I was led to experience was seeing a naturopathic physician based on the experience first of my dad.

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My dad had developed a condition called Bell's palsy, where you lose the innervation to the muscles in your face.

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Now, he was a radio announcer, so this was devastating 'cause he couldn't talk.

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So at the urging of, uh, a family member, he went and saw, a naturopathic physician.

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And, after one treatment, uh, the doctor had used electroacupuncture and some uh, old time physical therapy modalities, and literally brought his face back to life.

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Now, about a year and a half or two before this happened, I had had a ruptured patellar tendon, had s- uh, surgical repair on my left knee, i- but it wasn't recovering.

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Uh, something was going on.

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My leg wasn't, regaining the strength, and it was only about 50% as strong as, my right leg, even though I was really dedicated to doing every thing I could to make it better.

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So after my dad had this experience, he said, "You should see this doctor."

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And so I went and saw, uh, Dr.

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Ralph Weiss, and, uh, he used, uh, some similar modalities on me and electroacupuncture, and literally brought my leg back to life.

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And that night, uh, I, I, I was just, uh, blown away.

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I went out and played basketball and just, uh, you know, I had regained, almost the entire function of my, my left leg again.

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And, So I, thought about that and I wanted to learn more about it, and it just kind of like a snowball the more I learned about, nutrition and health, it just, it made a lot of sense to me.

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And kind of going back to my, example of talking about the detrimental effects of these nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, we don't get osteoarthritis because there's a deficiency of, Advil or ibuprofen, but we can get osteoarthritis if our Body doesn't have the building blocks or the compounds necessary to build cartilage.

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And one of those key compounds is glucosamine.

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And researchers at the World Health Organization probably about 60 or 70 years ago First of all, they discovered that cartilage had an incredible ability to regenerate.

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A cartilage cell is designed to last a lifetime, and, they're very resilient.

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And if you feed them the right nutrients, they can, rebuild cartilage.

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so they, determined that, osteoarthritis was largely a result of the inability to manufacture sufficient levels of glucosamine.

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So they started doing experiments and, and they found that glucosamine supplementation produced phenomenal results in, in helping to regenerate degenerative, osteoarthritis.

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And so that- that's where that dietary supplement, came from.

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And, and now we have, you know, some very good, clinical research with glucosamine sulfate, showing it to be outperforming these nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs in not only improving joint function but reducing pain.

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Now, they don't have any pain-relieving activity directly, so how are they reducing pain? They're reducing pain is 'cause, because they're promoting true healing, and, that's, great natural medicine.

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Right.

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we would be tempted, I think, to just focus on the pain management.

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and miss the rest of the story Yeah, and we have all these whistles, these alarm systems in our body that tell us that something needs our attention.

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And, if we feed, our body correctly, not just with nutrients but also with our attitude and visualizations and daily practices, we can promote healing in a very profound and magical way.

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I love that.

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I love that you mentioned magic.

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So is that what drew you into this kind of medicine? Yes.

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my own personal experience.

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and you know, I love the idea about, magic.

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It's, it's, it just brings tingles up and down my spine.

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I wrote a book called The Magic of Food, and, my inspiration, uh, in titling that book, to include magic is- a quote from, Sir Arthur Clarke who wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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He said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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And although, we all love these devices, uh, and they're-- they're-- it, it-- I mean, it's magical, right? Truly, it's amazing what it's able to do.

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But, still, today, the greatest technology in the universe is nothing that man has created.

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It's nature, and the way we commune with nature on a daily basis is through the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, the water that we drink.

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that's, really magical in which it helps to promote, health and healing, and, and we're just scratching the surface.

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I firmly believe that the doctor of future will, focus on utilizing natural approaches to health and healing.

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We'll have great technology at our hands to help us in that regard.

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We'll, we'll take advantage of genetic screening.

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We'll take advantage of, learning how different foods and supplements and dietary approaches can help a specific genetic profile or specific individual, and we're getting very, very close to that.

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It's a fun time to be studying natural approaches to health and healing.

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And I'm just going on about naturopathic physicians and naturopathic medicine, but I'm a big fan of Ayurveda.

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Some of the, the doctors I respect the most in the world are Ayurvedic doctors, and that's a tremendous system of medicine as well.

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Time-tested it works What I like about it is, sometimes we have these cases that, y- you know, using Western thinking and trying to apply it to a particular case, there's there's nothing that really can explain what's going on.

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And on the flip side if they're referred to traditional Chinese medicine or Ayurvedic there's a different view, and they can find the right answer for that particular person.

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I think if people have health challenges seek out something that works, and don't give up.

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So many times people spend too much time not getting results, and if you're not getting results, you need to find a different approach.

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And, that's the reality.

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When you're on the right, approach things s- start moving.

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You start building that success cy- cycle, and you start seeing some significant health improvement.

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That's my thoughts.

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and I'll link it in the show notes.

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I can't tell you how many times I've seen a client who's befuddled by what's going on in their body, and has gone to every specialist, gotten every, every viewpoint.

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And then you sit down across from an Ayurvedic doctor, and the whole thing makes sense.

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It's like we're checking all these boxes as they're explaining their symptoms and how they feel.

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And it's like, "Oh, yeah, well, this makes absolute sense," where it's the first time in years that this disorder has made any sense for this person.

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So I, I hear what you're saying about that, like, different perspective sometimes is the key.

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That's right.

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I love it.

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So speaking of perspectives, one thing I've heard you talking about, and this is something that my listeners have asked to hear about, natural oral care.

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So I'm, I- there's something about the way you're talking about it that kind of caught my interest, so I'd love to pick your brain about this today.

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Okay.

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I've heard you talking, Dr.

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Murray, about kind of the importance of natural oral care as part of overall health.

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Right.

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So, so can you explain for us what does the mouth and how we take care of our mouth have to do with our health in general? Well Hippocrates said that all health begins in the gut, and we tend to focus down here, but the start of our gut is actually here.

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And it's just such a critical aspect of, health.

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I kind of got clued into it, when I was a student.

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one of my, my friends that I was going through school with was a dental hygienist, and she was always harping on the importance of oral hygiene.

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And, The first book I wrote was a textbook of natural medicine, and a...

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I, I wrote a just, I thought, a very comprehensive, naturopathic approach to periodontal disease, which I mean, it's an epidemic.

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Even in children 50 to 70% of children in America have gingivitis, and- Wow I didn't realize it was that high.

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and there f- there are dietary factors that play into that, but there's also lack of effective oral hygiene.

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So the mouth is really the first step in, in, in our digestive process.

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And I really got interested in the last 10 years or so about the importance based upon what's called the gingipain theory of Alzheimer's disease.

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Oh, yeah.

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So th- discovered that there is a bacteria that is often associated with gingivitis that releases compounds called gingipains, and they found that these compounds can produce inflammation at sites outside the mouth.

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Now this is something that has been known empirically for some time.

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If you remember- this story of George Washington losing all of his teeth, they were pulled because he was having some issues.

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And back in, in that day, the oral hygiene was probably not very good.

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And so what happened was is that, there would be a, anitis of infection in the mouth and it would seed inflammation systemically.

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So if someone had a, pain in their hip and they went and saw a doctor, the doctor would be looking in their mouth to see if they had a, a tooth that was bad, and they'd pull the tooth out, and the pain in the hip would, go away.

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that's how they addressed the issue back then.

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They were, eliminating an obstacle to health, but there may have been a, better way to, do that.

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so anyway, getting back to this gingipain theory of Alzheimer's disease, they, they found in, biopsies that 96% of people with Alzheimer's disease had high levels of, of gingipain in their tissues, and this gingipain led to an inflammatory process, and that led to the classic destruction that we see with Alzheimer's disease.

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A lot of beta amyloid and, and tau proteins, and these are kind of like scar formation compounds that occur when there's a lot of damage, a lot of fire in that brain due to, due to inflammation.

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So that really started driving home the importance.

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And since then gosh, just more and more evidence has, piled up showing that good health does begin in the mouth.

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You really have to take care.

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We're learning about the oral microbiome.

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And, and I, I really started promoting Dr.

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Tung's product line from my own experience using it.

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And w- I did a reel on, on my own, on, on my website where I was contrasting the Dr.

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Tung's Smart Floss, which was shown to grab more plaque, about 50% more plaque than your standard dental floss In, in my reel, I compared it to those glide-type, very smooth, dental floss products out there.

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What people don't know is it's, it's so smooth and gets between the teeth so easily because it's coated with these forever chemicals known as PFAS.

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So, I mean, I mean, this is a highly absorbable area, and you're introducing some of the most toxic compounds you possibly could into your body through flossing with, some of these oth- other products.

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So I wanted to, bring people's awareness to that issue, and anyway, that, that led to me learning more about Dr.

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Tung's and, d- developing a friendship with that product line.

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So I try to plug them as much as I can because it, the, the product is fantastic and, and they not only have the dental floss.

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The first product that they came out with was a tongue scraper, and most people don't do that, and it, it really is important.

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You can help your tongue out s- so much by doing your, tongue scraping every day.

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it's simple and Dr.

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Tung's makes the, the best tongue scraper, very s- a very high quality stainless steel.

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And then they have an oil for oil pulling, which I'm a big fan of, and then they, instead of toothpaste, they have these herbal tooth powders, and this is where y- you've got to love it because it's based upon an Ayurvedic formula that's been used for thousands of years to help people in India keep their teeth.

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And they did a study with their herbal tooth powder and showed that it actually promoted improved salivation.

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So it's very useful for any cause of dry mouth.

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So if you use all of these products faithfully like you should for a month, boy, people will, will just...

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be thrilled with the improvement in their oral health, and then when they go get their checkups, they're gonna be making their dental hygienist very, very happy, and they won't be getting nagged by that dental hygienist to, brush better and floss That's kind of how I got on this topic.

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we have a family friend who is a dental hygienist, and we started talking about floss.

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And I had been using Glide, one of the slippery ones, for years.

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And he was talking about the chemicals that are on the Glide, and I couldn't believe it.

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I, I was just absolutely shocked that that was in my mouth on a daily basis.

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I had no idea.

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I just assumed that conscientious floss producers would never do something like that.

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Well, I'll tell you another s- story.

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the major toothpaste brands for years were putting a microplastic in their toothpaste as the abrasive, and how crazy is that? I know.

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So I've th- so I started reading about all of these things that are going on in the tooth care products.

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And, and then the other thing that happened was I have some recession in my gums.

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So I'm 47 I feel like I've got a lot more decades that I need to- Yeah log on these teeth and these gums.

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So I'm actually more, interested and concerned with my own gums than I am with the teeth.

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And so, so I've heard you talk about not leaky gut, but leaky gum.

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And I was like, oh, wow, that is such a cool phrase.

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Can you, tell us about this connection? Like, what's the mechanism where a rotted tooth is gonna cause a problem in your hip? Yeah, and it, it doesn't even have to be a rotted tooth.

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when you have pockets when you have inflammation of your, your gums, that's a highly absorptive area, and you start absorbing things that our body isn't designed to deal with, and, you end up promoting a, an oral microbiome that promotes disease.

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For, for example- a poor oral microbiome leads to the overgrowth of, of bacteria that produce byproducts that when we swallow them have been linked to colon cancer.

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Colon cancer rates are increasing.

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Yes, low fiber and other dietary factors are a part of that, but you could also make a very strong case it's the result of changes in the oral microbiome that lead to this dramatic increase that we're seeing with, colon cancer, especially in young people.

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cause we're constantly seeding the wrong type of bacteria in our colon because we have the wrong type of bacteria in our, in our mouth.

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So it's in the digestive tract.

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It starts in the mouth.

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And in this leaky gums we need to tighten up that tissue.

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And so oral hygiene is very important, but so too is diet.

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Staying away from sugar, staying away from o- overly uh, acidic synthetic foods like soft drinks.

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Terrible for, for your, your oral microbiome.

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And also, I think staying away from conventional mouthwash Good point especially like the, stronger chlorhexidine and some of these others they're really detrimental to y- a healthy oral microbiome.

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So, again, we gotta get rid of the chemicals and make sure we're giving that proper microbial environment a chance to thrive and help us instead of promoting a microbial environment that will harm us.

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And then as far as diet goes, flavonoid-rich foods.

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It's been a big part of my, diet for almost 50 years now.

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I'm 68.

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So I got into this field when I was 19 years old.

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So I fell in love with plant polyphenols and, and flavonoids.

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These are the compounds that are responsible for the many colors that we see in nature in flowers and in fruit.

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They're also, very important in helping support collagen compounds.

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As a class of compounds, flavonoids are referred to as nature's biological response modifiers.

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What does that mean? Well, they modify our response to the environment, and this is demonstrated by their antioxidant, antiviral, anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, anti-aging effects.

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and so I've made a concerted effort for almost 50 years to have a very high flavonoid intake.

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It's not just eating berries.

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We get a high intake of flavonoids from all green leafy vegetables.

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So you gotta eat your greens.

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We also get a, a high amount of flavonoids from legumes.

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So I think beans are very healthful ways to get, these flavonoids.

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Green tea and, and other healthful, herbal teas are also very rich in these, flavonoids, as is dark chocolate, everybody's favorite food.

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Yeah, everyone's happy about that one.

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So I wanna circle back to this mouthwash for a minute, because I'm, I'm picturing that these conventional mouthwashes will actually kind of nuke the microbiome- Yeah in your mouth.

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Which, which would then leave you, would you say that would leave you vulnerable to, like, bad microorganisms? Yeah.

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And y- you know, we have some better alternatives out there now like some of the iodine-based ones.

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And, I love xylitol.

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When I was doing my prerequisites to go to Bastyr University to study naturopathic medicine, I took microbiology.

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And my microbiology instructor was just, he was out there.

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And he was just, he was just way ahead of the times.

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And the things that he was talking about were really interesting.

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he, He graduated from the University of Michigan.

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He was a professor there, and he, he gave that track up to move to a small town in Southern Oregon.

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And the reason was is that he discovered the impact that xylitol has in preventing gingivitis and, and, and periodontal disease.

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Xylitol research really began with, with some of his work, and he, received so much resistance to his discovery that he didn't wanna fight it.

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he just, he chose to, to go a different path.

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He drove a hearse, an old hearse.

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he painted it white, but it was still a hearse and just a really interesting guy, but a happy guy, and really a great teacher, and was very passionate about microbiology.

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And, and he had an ax to grind a- a- about about the oral healthcare industry.

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so we, listened to his dissertations on that as well.

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so I did use a xylitol, mouthwash for a while.

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I've sort of, the last couple years So the receding of the gums became an issue, where my dentist was like, "We might have to refer you out to a periodontist," which kind of put the fear of God in me.

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had...

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So Ayurveda talks about, yes, the tongue scraping, using these bitter and astringent herbs like neem and meswak, and also the gandusha, or the oil pulling.

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Which could be a swishing or just a holding of oil in the mouth i- is the way it's described.

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So I got on that train probably two years ago because of the periodontal referral.

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And I said, "Just give me six months," you know, and I go back to the dentist six months later after oil pulling, and he's like, "It's stopped.

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the receding of the gum's stopped.

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It, yeah, you're good."

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And it's been two years, and there's no change.

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So I, I'm kind of doing the jump for joy, and I've been talking about- Yeah the Dr.

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Tung's oil, 'cause it feels to me that one in particular is especially herbaceous.

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Right r- I'm getting a lot of herbs from it.

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do you follow research on these herbs and their use in oral care products? Sort of- Yeah what, what are they, what's the, let's say, the modern...

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I know what the textual from thousands of years ago say, but what's the modern take on these- Yeah, well- herbs in the mouth? I- i- they exert antimicrobial activity, and neem is the most, most studied.

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And what we're learning about herbs and spices and traditional medicines, whether they're Ayurvedic or Chinese, is that there's synergy among these and these ingredients, and we see better results with, these old time formulas.

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And we, we're having research that supports that over and over again.

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So I think there's some value looking at all these different types compounds and seeing how they work to, to promote a healthy oral microbiome.

313
00:33:50,102.2813749 --> 00:33:58,528.9869413
And s- what we're seeing is that- Not only well this happens not only in the gut, it happens throughout the microbiome.

314
00:33:59,68.9869413 --> 00:34:16,421.1199929
We see a preferential antimicrobial effect on the pathogenic or undesirable bacteria, while at the same time, an, a promoting effect of what we think are the health-promoting types of microbes.

315
00:34:16,501.1199929 --> 00:34:19,771.1199929
So that's really important in this day and age.

316
00:34:19,887.7052386 --> 00:34:27,251.598305
we wanna suppress the, the negative bacteria and, and yeast and other microbes, and we wanna promote those health promoting.

317
00:34:27,291.598305 --> 00:34:33,562.4648517
And, and that's what the research is trending towards, and I think, that's what it'll be shown to, to possess.

318
00:34:33,622.4648517 --> 00:34:33,792.4648517
Mm-hmm.

319
00:34:34,122.4648517 --> 00:34:34,422.4648517
Mm-hmm.

320
00:34:35,62.4648517 --> 00:34:42,122.4648517
And with the oil, I think of oil as sort of in the mouth as, like, food for the beneficial bacteria.

321
00:34:42,222.4648517 --> 00:34:48,177.5027253
Is that true- Yeah from your understanding? Yeah, well, uh, it's kind of like tongue scraping for your gums.

322
00:34:48,677.5027253 --> 00:34:52,607.5027253
In terms of oil pulling, there's been some really good research.

323
00:34:52,957.5027253 --> 00:34:55,952.5524689
they've shown good results with coconut oil.

324
00:34:56,372.5524689 --> 00:34:59,152.5524689
Olive oil would have a, a similar effect.

325
00:34:59,448.3504019 --> 00:35:01,118.3504019
but I, like you, I really like the Dr.

326
00:35:01,528.3504019 --> 00:35:04,321.6837352
Tung's formula because it's so herbalicious.

327
00:35:04,471.6837352 --> 00:35:10,239.7236929
It has the mechanical effect of the o- oil, and it is oil pulling.

328
00:35:10,269.7236929 --> 00:35:10,879.7236929
It's, it...

329
00:35:11,439.7236929 --> 00:35:26,982.0627126
The toxins that we're really concerned about from these unwanted bacteria are largely fat-soluble compounds, so they're gonna be pulled into the oil and then spit out and eliminated from the body.

330
00:35:27,22.0627126 --> 00:35:28,102.0627126
You don't wanna swallow it.

331
00:35:28,182.0627126 --> 00:35:29,342.0627126
You wanna spit it out.

332
00:35:30,422.0627126 --> 00:35:44,169.7454112
So, I, I, yeah, I think it's a great habit to, to get into, and studies show that it is very effective in, in promoting improved oral microbiome environment and oral health.

333
00:35:45,362.7454112 --> 00:36:04,64.5905447
And I also i- imagine the oil, the same way we talk about oil for the scalp, and hair health, and the skin in Ayurveda, I also picture providing moisture for the gums, 'cause recession is kind of a drying or a degeneration, right? Yeah, and mouth breathing is a big part of that as well.

334
00:36:04,145.5905447 --> 00:36:09,456.6123851
So, if you can make that environment protected from drying out, it's, it's a good thing.

335
00:36:10,97.6123851 --> 00:36:10,456.6123851
Right.

336
00:36:10,600.3388019 --> 00:36:13,979.3388019
And you know, saliva's important to that e- effort as well.

337
00:36:14,19.3388019 --> 00:36:18,765.2291013
We were talking about the her- herbal toothpaste tablets, and, they do that as well.

338
00:36:19,46.2291013 --> 00:36:24,471.895768
What I like about the whole approach is you can feel that the saliva's changed.

339
00:36:24,511.895768 --> 00:36:30,557.0213224
It becomes slipperier, and I, I just think it's more protective, and it feels really good.

340
00:36:31,437.0213224 --> 00:36:32,57.0213224
I agree.

341
00:36:32,118.0213224 --> 00:36:36,118.0213224
I notice a difference in the taste in the mouth, but the viscosity is different as well.

342
00:36:36,639.0213224 --> 00:36:36,919.0213224
Yeah.

343
00:36:37,258.0213224 --> 00:36:39,38.0213224
Yeah, like slippery, like you said.

344
00:36:39,744.0845548 --> 00:36:46,504.0845548
So I'm a huge fan o- of the natural oral care products, especially after finding, oh my God, like, there...

345
00:36:46,904.0845548 --> 00:36:52,764.0845548
I don't know what happened to regulations around chemicals being used in oral care products.

346
00:36:53,604.0845548 --> 00:37:01,164.0845548
But something I'm concerned about is maybe you're up on this, is the greenwashing of oral care products.

347
00:37:01,284.0845548 --> 00:37:08,270.3299772
Like, are we likely to see things being sold as natural end quote, but they're Yeah.

348
00:37:08,280.3299772 --> 00:37:08,430.3299772
Yeah.

349
00:37:08,630.3299772 --> 00:37:09,930.3299772
I don't know about that.

350
00:37:10,93.6633105 --> 00:37:20,792.5506396
but we're seeing this happen through all types of consumer products for personal care, whether feminine hygiene skincare products and- Yeah.

351
00:37:20,802.5506396 --> 00:37:22,522.5506396
Sunscreen yeah.

352
00:37:22,532.5506396 --> 00:37:22,562.5506396
Yeah.

353
00:37:22,902.5506396 --> 00:37:23,242.5506396
Food.

354
00:37:23,611.5506396 --> 00:37:28,72.5506396
And that whole industry needs to be cleaned up for sure.

355
00:37:28,152.5506396 --> 00:37:44,36.0637215
And we can start that process by devoting our, financial resources in supporting companies that are truly doing the right things for our health, the environment for, conscious living and, and e- everything else we wanna support.

356
00:37:44,836.0637215 --> 00:37:45,76.0637215
Right.

357
00:37:45,336.0637215 --> 00:37:46,556.0637215
And I'm glad you bring that up, Dr.

358
00:37:46,756.0637215 --> 00:38:00,172.4418953
Murray, because I'm noticing my consciousness is expanding in the past couple years, so that when I think about things like what I spend my money on for personal care products, I- I'm not just thinking about my mouth and my health.

359
00:38:00,452.4418953 --> 00:38:23,268.2899992
I'm also thinking about, like, the industry at large, what I'm supporting with the products that I'm buying, and am I supporting the, as you say, the cleaning up of the industry- Yeah By putting extra time and research into finding products like the ones we're talking about, and, kinda making the switch to using only that K- kind of coming away from, like, the cheaper products, which I think...

360
00:38:23,538.2899992 --> 00:38:27,424.9566658
Uh, you know, Shampoo, lotion, like, sunscreen, it's everywhere.

361
00:38:27,454.9566658 --> 00:38:27,844.9566658
This is...

362
00:38:27,874.9566658 --> 00:38:30,274.9566658
The oral care is this one arena.

363
00:38:30,958.2899992 --> 00:38:46,840.4465747
I've been at this natural health movement for quite a while, and we've seen improvements in, so many products, and it's great when you see products that are best in class emerge in this field.

364
00:38:46,900.4465747 --> 00:38:50,499.8118091
And, I really feel that, we have that in the oral healthcare.

365
00:38:50,579.8118091 --> 00:39:02,883.1451424
We have, products that are, best in class, and I think we have that also in, in with some of the haircare products, skincare products because these, chemicals are, quite harmful.

366
00:39:03,476.1163338 --> 00:39:05,92.0292265
And we've gotta clean it up.

367
00:39:05,233.0292265 --> 00:39:06,393.0292265
We've just gotta clean it up.

368
00:39:06,493.0292265 --> 00:39:10,126.3625598
They shouldn't be in these, products that we use daily.

369
00:39:10,786.3625598 --> 00:39:12,26.3625598
They shouldn't be- Right in these products.

370
00:39:12,266.3625598 --> 00:39:19,906.3625598
Especially those, these products that we're a- applying to s- sensitive areas and, doing it on a daily basis.

371
00:39:19,966.3625598 --> 00:39:20,466.3625598
Right.

372
00:39:20,506.3625598 --> 00:39:20,696.3625598
Right.

373
00:39:21,6.3625598 --> 00:39:22,926.3625598
That's what really got me about the gums.

374
00:39:22,966.3625598 --> 00:39:23,26.3625598
Yeah.

375
00:39:23,56.3625598 --> 00:39:28,446.3625598
I was like, "Oh, my God, leaky gum?" I mean, that's like going straight, straight into your bloodstream, essentially.

376
00:39:29,66.3625598 --> 00:39:29,76.3625598
Yeah.

377
00:39:29,126.3625598 --> 00:39:29,446.3625598
Right.

378
00:39:29,940.027314 --> 00:39:30,320.027314
wow.

379
00:39:30,620.027314 --> 00:39:30,840.027314
Yeah.

380
00:39:30,940.027314 --> 00:39:31,730.027314
It's, I don't know.

381
00:39:31,830.027314 --> 00:39:33,160.027314
It's a, it's a crime.

382
00:39:33,300.027314 --> 00:39:35,0.027314
I'm getting all worked up here, but Yeah.

383
00:39:35,20.027314 --> 00:39:37,880.027314
Well, it is, 'cause y- you know, we d- people don't know.

384
00:39:37,910.027314 --> 00:39:37,920.027314
Yeah.

385
00:39:37,920.027314 --> 00:39:46,61.9520068
And so we're, we're not alarmists here, we're realists, and we've got to tell people the, the, the truth and, and, and let them make an informed choice.

386
00:39:46,671.9520068 --> 00:39:51,389.6106982
But th- they're not making informed choices about a lot of things in our health right now.

387
00:39:51,989.6106982 --> 00:39:52,249.6106982
Yeah.

388
00:39:52,840.8134977 --> 00:39:58,374.6345019
So when you're talking about oral care, one of the questions I get a lot is sort of the order of things.

389
00:39:59,94.6345019 --> 00:40:06,628.360702
Folks are asking, like, Do we scrape, oil pull, brush? What, what do you recommend for the daily oral care routine? Yeah.

390
00:40:06,678.360702 --> 00:40:07,688.360702
Mine's a little different.

391
00:40:08,367.9065812 --> 00:40:19,955.8705383
I, I like to start with brushing, then I do the tongue scraping then I, I, I floss, then I oil pull, and then I brush.

392
00:40:21,462.8705383 --> 00:40:23,563.8705383
So you floss in the morning? I do.

393
00:40:23,672.8705383 --> 00:40:26,541.8705383
I try to floss after pretty much every meal.

394
00:40:27,238.5372049 --> 00:40:28,238.5372049
okay, big flosser.

395
00:40:28,359.5372049 --> 00:40:36,485.2038716
But and you do- Yeah the oil pulling in the morning? I do the oil pulling in the morning- Yeah um, most often cause it's easy to do in the shower.

396
00:40:37,184.2038716 --> 00:40:37,424.2038716
Yeah.

397
00:40:37,884.2038716 --> 00:40:37,985.2038716
Yeah.

398
00:40:38,24.2038716 --> 00:40:45,425.8467346
And- Good call It's just a good use of five minutes of oil pulling, and it's, it's g- it's so good for you.

399
00:40:46,26.8467346 --> 00:40:46,585.8467346
It is.

400
00:40:46,925.8467346 --> 00:40:47,245.8467346
Yeah.

401
00:40:47,765.8467346 --> 00:40:47,945.8467346
And, and, yeah, so.

402
00:40:47,985.8467346 --> 00:40:49,85.8467346
I'm kinda hooked on it now.

403
00:40:49,206.8467346 --> 00:40:49,226.8467346
Yeah.

404
00:40:49,265.8467346 --> 00:40:51,965.8467346
And then you do the, the tongue scraping first, first thing, though.

405
00:40:52,305.8467346 --> 00:40:54,665.8467346
Is that right? I, I, I like to brush first.

406
00:40:54,725.8467346 --> 00:40:56,239.9673807
It's, it's what I wanna do first.

407
00:40:56,560.8198384 --> 00:41:02,416.9763427
I, I know I'm gonna do the rest after, but yeah, I start, I, yeah, and I, I know I'm gonna brush again, too.

408
00:41:03,75.9763427 --> 00:41:03,416.9763427
Right.

409
00:41:03,715.9763427 --> 00:41:04,15.9763427
Yeah.

410
00:41:04,375.9763427 --> 00:41:10,355.9763427
This is great because I think sometimes I've noticed people get hang up on kinda wanting to do everything perfectly.

411
00:41:11,15.9763427 --> 00:41:11,35.9763427
Yeah.

412
00:41:11,75.9763427 --> 00:41:15,355.9763427
So this is great that we have, like, we're, we're both doing the thing, we're doing it in a different order.

413
00:41:15,875.9763427 --> 00:41:18,655.9763427
It's fine, as long as it's happening, right? Every day.

414
00:41:19,115.9763427 --> 00:41:19,395.9763427
Right.

415
00:41:19,435.9763427 --> 00:41:22,535.9763427
As long as you get it done, I guess it d- that's the important thing.

416
00:41:23,196.9763427 --> 00:41:23,555.9763427
Right.

417
00:41:24,55.9763427 --> 00:41:24,395.9763427
Right.

418
00:41:25,163.9824777 --> 00:41:31,83.9824777
so in this conversation about supplements, you also provide uh, you have a brand of supplements? Yeah.

419
00:41:31,252.9824777 --> 00:41:33,883.9824777
I, I I have a brand my own brand, Dr.

420
00:41:34,547.315811 --> 00:41:39,931.9701486
Murray's Natural Products, and that's available at my website drmurray.com,

421
00:41:39,931.9701486 --> 00:41:39,941.9701486
D-O-C-T-O-R-M-U-R-R-A-Y.com.

422
00:41:43,111.9701486 --> 00:41:45,531.9701486
I'm also chief science advisor for iHerb.

423
00:41:46,511.9701486 --> 00:41:49,261.9701486
It's just, it's been- Oh, yeah it's a great, it's a great platform.

424
00:41:49,951.9701486 --> 00:41:59,817.294347
And I, I, I help them with their wellness hub and help them with some scientific direction, and, and it's that's a great association as well.

425
00:41:59,877.294347 --> 00:42:03,744.3329212
Yeah big fan of getting on an effective supplementation program.

426
00:42:04,64.3329212 --> 00:42:04,504.3329212
Mm-hmm.

427
00:42:05,224.3329212 --> 00:42:09,304.3329212
So and you've written 30 books, plus you do all these other things.

428
00:42:09,674.3329212 --> 00:42:09,684.3329212
Yeah.

429
00:42:09,704.3329212 --> 00:42:15,883.6204375
Do you have time for clinical practice? I haven't seen patients for maybe 25 years.

430
00:42:15,923.6204375 --> 00:42:25,542.6204375
So I've been really focused on writing and, trying to inspire people to get onto a, a more natural approach to, to taking care of their health.

431
00:42:26,142.6204375 --> 00:42:26,802.6204375
Right.

432
00:42:26,862.6204375 --> 00:42:30,962.6204375
So did you have a private practice for some time in the beginning? I, I did.

433
00:42:30,972.6204375 --> 00:42:30,992.6204375
I did.

434
00:42:31,22.6204375 --> 00:42:31,802.6204375
Yeah.

435
00:42:31,942.6204375 --> 00:42:32,349.551943
Yeah.

436
00:42:32,485.3287708 --> 00:42:36,623.3024036
It's hard work, and it's great to uh, uh, affect a single life.

437
00:42:36,793.3024036 --> 00:42:43,45.6081084
But my skills were really I think, better suited for influencing a larger number of people.

438
00:42:43,165.6081084 --> 00:42:48,62.2747751
So a great respect for people that are in the trenches doing the hard work.

439
00:42:48,602.2747751 --> 00:42:50,258.9414417
I understand how hard it is.

440
00:42:50,778.9414417 --> 00:42:51,98.9414417
Yeah.

441
00:42:51,518.9414417 --> 00:42:51,998.9414417
Yeah.

442
00:42:52,98.9414417 --> 00:42:52,638.9414417
I relate.

443
00:42:52,738.9414417 --> 00:42:58,368.9414417
That's why I ask, 'cause I, once I started writing, it, it kinda took me in a different direction.

444
00:42:58,368.9414417 --> 00:42:58,378.9414417
Yeah.

445
00:42:58,398.9414417 --> 00:43:01,98.9414417
That the clinical work, I felt like it was all or nothing.

446
00:43:01,118.9414417 --> 00:43:08,359.4480335
Like, you're either having a clinical practice or writing, researching making content, influencing, that sort of thing.

447
00:43:08,775.870941 --> 00:43:21,958.3710428
I didn't find I could do both, I think it's very hard because to do clinical practice well- for me it was for every minute I saw someone in practice, I'd be spending one or two minutes outside.

448
00:43:22,78.3710428 --> 00:43:28,729.319465
I had a tendency to draw people that were, not getting the results they wanted from other approaches.

449
00:43:28,869.7345681 --> 00:43:29,729.7345681
and so it would...

450
00:43:30,9.7345681 --> 00:43:38,507.8501331
Or people with some really rare conditions, and it would take a lot of thought and consideration and research to find the best, path for them.

451
00:43:39,287.8501331 --> 00:43:45,604.4223988
So, it worked better for me to, to focus on training physicians to utilize these natural approaches.

452
00:43:45,684.4223988 --> 00:43:51,107.7557321
And, and then they can take my insights and then apply them to these individual patients.

453
00:43:52,187.7557321 --> 00:43:52,367.7557321
Yeah.

454
00:43:52,667.7557321 --> 00:43:53,46.7557321
I get it.

455
00:43:53,327.7557321 --> 00:43:53,707.7557321
I get it.

456
00:43:54,247.7557321 --> 00:43:54,407.7557321
Yeah.

457
00:43:55,7.7557321 --> 00:43:56,807.7557321
So drmurray.com

458
00:43:57,427.7557321 --> 00:43:59,847.7557321
is where we can find out more about what you're up to.

459
00:43:59,927.7557321 --> 00:44:11,775.7909087
Is there anything on there you want to point people who are new to your work towards? we're getting a lot of great feedback from my Instagram site, so I encourage people to, Get to my website, drmurray.com,

460
00:44:12,375.7909087 --> 00:44:15,876.2833352
and then follow me on Instagram, Facebook, and that sort of thing.

461
00:44:16,538.5038959 --> 00:44:21,151.6004129
I wanna encourage people to sign up for a free program that I developed.

462
00:44:21,171.6004129 --> 00:44:22,371.6004129
It's called Thrive.

463
00:44:22,941.6004129 --> 00:44:24,471.6004129
It, th- there's no cost.

464
00:44:24,551.6004129 --> 00:44:25,351.6004129
Ev- and if...

465
00:44:25,611.6004129 --> 00:44:27,31.6004129
I- just do the first day.

466
00:44:27,651.6004129 --> 00:44:36,902.5780944
Every day consists of a five-minute video and a five-minute worksheet, and You'll know right away if you're resonating with this approach.

467
00:44:37,22.5780944 --> 00:44:38,614.4010619
But, it's my gift.

468
00:44:38,694.4010619 --> 00:44:41,207.4977823
I want people to, to thrive in life.

469
00:44:41,247.4977823 --> 00:44:41,367.4977823
It's...

470
00:44:41,567.4977823 --> 00:44:45,847.4977823
Life isn't meant to suffer through or to trudge along.

471
00:44:46,160.8311156 --> 00:44:53,27.4977823
It's really meant to, to live, and in order to live, we have to have energy, vitality, good health.

472
00:44:53,667.4977823 --> 00:45:02,435.7720005
And so my program is all about sharing 21 lessons that I've learned that I think can really change a person's life.

473
00:45:02,555.7720005 --> 00:45:04,255.7720005
And so it's called Thrive.

474
00:45:04,275.7720005 --> 00:45:05,855.7720005
It's at drmurray.com.

475
00:45:05,935.7720005 --> 00:45:08,415.7720005
It's free, completely 100% free.

476
00:45:08,455.7720005 --> 00:45:10,435.7720005
There's no strings attached.

477
00:45:10,435.7720005 --> 00:45:16,45.7720005
It's a complete program to help people have a blueprint for thriving in life.

478
00:45:16,665.7720005 --> 00:45:17,725.7720005
That is inspiring.

479
00:45:17,885.7720005 --> 00:45:18,265.7720005
Thank you.

480
00:45:18,565.7720005 --> 00:45:20,365.7720005
And we'll put that in the show notes as well.

481
00:45:20,885.7720005 --> 00:45:21,165.7720005
Okay.

482
00:45:21,245.7720005 --> 00:45:21,605.7720005
Thank you.

483
00:45:22,45.7720005 --> 00:45:26,665.7720005
Before we let you go, can I ask you three rapid-fire questions? Sure.

484
00:45:26,765.7720005 --> 00:45:27,205.7720005
All right.

485
00:45:27,305.7720005 --> 00:45:32,904.7720005
So first one, first thing that you do when you get up in the morning? I brush my teeth.

486
00:45:33,845.7720005 --> 00:45:34,925.7720005
I knew you were gonna say that.

487
00:45:35,5.7720005 --> 00:45:35,705.7720005
Yeah, yeah.

488
00:45:35,765.7720005 --> 00:45:36,285.7720005
Perfect.

489
00:45:36,605.7720005 --> 00:45:36,615.7720005
Yeah.

490
00:45:36,645.7720005 --> 00:45:37,955.7720005
Right on, right on topic.

491
00:45:38,305.7720005 --> 00:45:38,465.7720005
Yeah.

492
00:45:38,725.7720005 --> 00:45:42,815.2136709
How about what is your first food or drink of the day? Wow.

493
00:45:42,939.2545139 --> 00:45:46,406.0647251
You know, Usually the first activity I do is work out.

494
00:45:47,106.0647251 --> 00:45:50,846.7968463
So I'll have a, an energy drink of, of some sort.

495
00:45:51,100.5151744 --> 00:45:57,426.5973277
I found some that are natural, contain natural caffeine no synthetic additives.

496
00:45:57,826.5973277 --> 00:46:06,601.221046
I can only tolerate about 40 to 70 milligrams of caffeine, so it's not gonna give people the jolt that they're used to.

497
00:46:06,897.8877127 --> 00:46:14,658.934313
And then after my workout, I usually have a matcha, I make a high-quality grade matcha.

498
00:46:15,48.934313 --> 00:46:16,568.934313
Now, Matcha I can tolerate.

499
00:46:16,778.934313 --> 00:46:22,629.0290192
I'll have maybe three teaspoons full of, matcha, and I'll do that in hot coconut milk.

500
00:46:22,982.3623526 --> 00:46:32,755.6956859
Then I'll have some creatine and essential amino acids, and then I'm good that allows me to do that intermittent fasting even though I've had some things that they're not really gonna affect my blood sugar.

501
00:46:33,255.6956859 --> 00:46:49,12.3623526
So I, I gain all the benefits of intermittent fasting and, and I, I don't have anything to eat till at least 10:00, some days all the way till noon, and then I have a, a, a narrow feeding window, Mm-hmm usually till 6:00 or to 8:00 at night, depending when I started.

502
00:46:49,532.3623526 --> 00:46:57,862.3623526
And that sets me up for, keeping my weight in check, my metabolism working well and keeping my muscle mass going as well.

503
00:46:58,642.3623526 --> 00:46:58,842.3623526
Right.

504
00:46:59,42.3623526 --> 00:47:00,982.3623526
I already am noticing that in my late 40s.

505
00:47:01,22.3623526 --> 00:47:02,542.3623526
Gotta work harder on that.

506
00:47:03,96.0626089 --> 00:47:04,56.0626089
Okay, last question.

507
00:47:04,116.0626089 --> 00:47:10,893.1771922
What is your non-negotiable wind down at night? I do something that I found really helps me.

508
00:47:11,129.8438589 --> 00:47:16,830.8438589
my Thrive program, I highlight the, first day I called it Seek the Kingdom of Heaven Within.

509
00:47:17,382.8302026 --> 00:47:21,123.8302026
When I was a kid growing up, I was really blessed with having a wonderful grandmother.

510
00:47:21,143.8302026 --> 00:47:25,255.9907047
And she always made us say things that we were most grateful for.

511
00:47:25,575.9907047 --> 00:47:27,495.9907047
So I got in, into that habit.

512
00:47:27,955.9907047 --> 00:47:37,609.324038
And then,- I put myself to sleep thinking of the things that I want in my life, and I, I, I identified four things, love, joy, peace, and happiness.

513
00:47:38,30.324038 --> 00:47:42,809.324038
And so I try to associate to those feelings before I fall asleep.

514
00:47:42,850.324038 --> 00:47:50,522.6573714
And so I just have found that to be a great way to prime myself for having those feelings in my heart.

515
00:47:50,742.6573714 --> 00:47:53,282.6573714
So that's a non-negotiable for me.

516
00:47:53,443.7734399 --> 00:47:59,943.7734399
I wanna go to sleep with those things on my mind m- and in my heart more than anything else.

517
00:48:00,422.7734399 --> 00:48:01,42.7734399
Mm-hmm.

518
00:48:01,702.7734399 --> 00:48:06,482.7734399
That is so simple and best a- and wholesome.

519
00:48:06,682.7734399 --> 00:48:11,382.7734399
There's this kind of translation from the Ayurvedic texts of wholesome behaviors.

520
00:48:11,463.7734399 --> 00:48:11,722.7734399
Yeah.

521
00:48:11,998.057584 --> 00:48:13,158.057584
that's what you're describing.

522
00:48:13,198.057584 --> 00:48:16,844.9775465
I, I really, I feel that you are an inspiration for wholesomeness, Dr.

523
00:48:16,924.9775465 --> 00:48:19,905.9775465
Murray, so thanks for sharing yourself with us today.

524
00:48:19,924.9775465 --> 00:48:21,744.9775465
I appreciate having you on the podcast.

525
00:48:22,225.9775465 --> 00:48:23,124.9775465
It was my pleasure.

526
00:48:23,164.9775465 --> 00:48:23,644.9775465
Thank you.